Be real at 9 wrote:
Carleton and St. Olaf coaches only coach one gender. no other coach has it that easy.
St. John's as well. Still, this is a fair point. Coaching both genders would probably mean a larger roster to manage, reducing time available to recruit. It would be interesting to run a study on coaching success comparing those who coach one gender and those who coach two.
Gusties have started double threshold training. They really aren't playing around. Massive props to their coach for changing their training methodology so late in his career. I'm impressed when coaches don't just recycle the same workout every year. Looks like they're determined to out train and out recruit everyone else in the MIAC. Love how their coach is so committed to the success of the whole MIAC too.
Explain to me the specific details and benefits of double threshold. How does it differ from other training like 100 mike weeks with some long runs, progression runs, tempo runs and repeats
Aren’t all the changes in their program from a recruiting and training standpoint from their assistant? One thing I’ve noticed in the MIAC is the better the team, the better the assistant. That’s the only way to make up for coaches like Power. If he have someone as successful as Hartpence as an assistant and the 800 coach, it’s unlikely he’d have had the same level of success the last few years.
In Simple Terms -
Traditional training says: “Run a ton, crush one workout, survive the week.”
Double threshold says: “Train smart, stack quality, and show up fresh tomorrow.”
Both can make you fit.
Double threshold makes you consistently fit, consistently fast, and consistently healthy.
For DT -
Instead of piling on miles, you:
Keep overall mileage controlled
Replace some easy mileage with high-value threshold volume
Spread stress across the week more evenly
Recover faster between sessions
Stay healthier and more consistent
You’re training your engine almost every day instead of spiking it once or twice.
Why It Works So Well
Higher quality volume → faster adaptation
Less acidosis → better recovery
More frequent stimulus → stronger aerobic system
Lower injury risk → more consistent training blocks
You finish workouts tired, but not destroyed.
You wake up ready to train again.
xemptyzSo basically, Brendo is training smarter. This is what led Lars/Calvin to have so much success in the last few years. And for former Gustie Tucker to run at Nationals on their DMR. Power can keep his weird training model. The Gusties are moving to the
It’s officially Indoor and the Oles host this weekend. That means more stupid seeding for the 600m, which is travesty for the athletes. Why Power thinks he needs to do championship seeding for every meet is unfathomable. If the University of Minnesota doesn’t do it, there’s no scenario an no name D3 coach should do it.
You’ll notice Bethel and St. John’s don’t go to their meets. That’s one of the biggest reasons other than those coaches not liking Power.
Why does only St. Olaf use those seedings? It really sucks if you have 3 good 600 runners and one gets stuck without competition. Or likely the same scenario for the shorter distances. What reasoning does Power have to set up terrible meets like this and why don’t other teams avoid his meets?
I've been doing double threshold for about a year now and I'm actually shocked at how inaccurate this is. The point is to stack 2 hard days into one instead of trying to do 4 threshold days per week, which isn't sustainable. It is not in any way easier than a "traditional" speed workout and I'm always way more sore after a double t day than any other workout. You have to remember that if you're doing it right it's 16-20 miles with 10-14 of them at threshold. That's exhausting. The only thing it's good for is building a huge aerobic engine for the 8k and 10k. Considering the gusties don't have anyone running super high mileage or any studs above the 1500/3k, I'll be very interested to see how this strategy pans out.
I’d argue beside Nick, their best athletes are actually more primed for the 10K and hopefully by transference also the 5K. Evan, Will, and even Soren are more 10K inclined for sure. Hoping to see a big jump from thrm after a strong Fall. Sometimes the MIAC only looks at folx who race at Nationals and not the great improvement by guys who will be top five scorers. It’s fun to talk about whether some sub 9:30 HS guy will score at Nationals, but it’s also fun to talk about the 10:20 HS guy that Brendan now has in position to earn the team points.
Interesting distance talk here, so far without too much garbage.
https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=13900612&page=2
huh??? wrote:
I've been doing double threshold for about a year now and I'm actually shocked at how inaccurate this is. The point is to stack 2 hard days into one instead of trying to do 4 threshold days per week, which isn't sustainable. It is not in any way easier than a "traditional" speed workout and I'm always way more sore after a double t day than any other workout. You have to remember that if you're doing it right it's 16-20 miles with 10-14 of them at threshold. That's exhausting. The only thing it's good for is building a huge aerobic engine for the 8k and 10k. Considering the gusties don't have anyone running super high mileage or any studs above the 1500/3k, I'll be very interested to see how this strategy pans out.
Weren't the Gusties running 100 mile weeks in summer? What did their mileage get to in the Fall?
What do most of the top runners do for mileage? I know the Oles in 2016-2019 had several running close to 100 mpw and the team was upset when the new coach cut mileage. But it seems to have worked out for them now.
How’s Power seeding some dude I’ve never heard of ahead of Gabe and Indy in the 1K? Something needs to be done about this kind of ish.
I met Brendo’s boss this week. He’s actually the Assistant Athletic Director of Sports Performance and Cross CountryTrack & Field. So he not just the double threshold god king coach as people say on here. He really lives the building champions model. It was very inspiring. He has big goals for those programs to raise their level of excellence. I think that will be a good thing for the Brendo lovers. He didn’t seem satisfied with their season, saying 5th was a good result but that they should aim higher since his predecessor showed you can get 4th or even 3rd and be a consistent top four team at Gustavus. He seemed to know how middling Brendo is and said something along the lines of we’re asking all our staff to raise their level of performance. You can take that for what it means. I’d want to work for that guy, so if Brendo fails out the door, I’ll be first in line to apply.
Who’s the guy seeded ahead of Torte? Never heard of him either.
And seeded ahead of Roy? This is just ridiculous. Coaches should be sanctioned for this kind of stuff.
Meet hosts should go thought entries and if they find suspect seeds remove the athletes from the meet. But of course, the meet host is the one doing this, so the only answer is to quit going to their meets. Which we already know Bethel and St. John’s have quit going to the Ole meets. That’s just one of the reasons.
You have to be a first class clown for Andrew Rock to not like you. He might be the kindest man in the sport.
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And seeded ahead of Roy? This is just ridiculous. Coaches should be sanctioned for this kind of stuff.
Now he's seeded ahead of Gabe, an All-American and the best 3ker in the conference. What is going on here? It's absurd.
I don’t know, maybe Dave shouldn’t enter his All-Americans at such slow times. The 1K - 3K double is not one many people will want to do! It’s a strategy of some sort. I guess
Anyone nominate our favorite Dope, I mean Coach of the Year?