What I like about these Ingebrigtsen threads is despite the endless drivel spouted by fans he is no nearer the 5k wr today than he was 3 years ago and he is no faster than 63 minutes - 34th place - for his self-claimed "best distance". He will never threaten the Africans in the HM.
13 seconds from the world record while having never ran a proper attempt for it or a time trial. Sounds pretty good to me.
You'd think all those runners he's facing who makes up the fastest field the event has seen would attempt to make the races faster when Jakob is in them, but somehow they never do. Do you think they might know something you don't?
What other runners think is a red herring. It is irrelevant. It says nothing about why Ingebrigtsen has made no progress in running the event faster in 3 years and is effectively a 100m off the wr. If he thought he could have got the world mark he would have attempted it, like he has attempted the shorter distances, as he says he wants all the distance records.
Here you are yet again admitting that you really think that there is no indication of him getting faster in the 5000 😂
13 seconds from the world record while having never ran a proper attempt for it or a time trial. Sounds pretty good to me.
You'd think all those runners he's facing who makes up the fastest field the event has seen would attempt to make the races faster when Jakob is in them, but somehow they never do. Do you think they might know something you don't?
What other runners think is a red herring. It is irrelevant. It says nothing about why Ingebrigtsen has made no progress in running the event faster in 3 years and is effectively a 100m off the wr. If he thought he could have got the world mark he would have attempted it, like he has attempted the shorter distances, as he says he wants all the distance records.
Are you saying it's irrelevant that the people who actually knows what he's capable of since they're competing against him, with better PRs, aren't making races faster, meaning he doesn't need to run faster than 12:48 to win every single 5k final he's competed in as a senior? I'd say it's quite the opposite.
Again, why do you think nobody runs faster than 12:48 when they're competing against him if that time is so slow like you're claiming it is?
What other runners think is a red herring. It is irrelevant. It says nothing about why Ingebrigtsen has made no progress in running the event faster in 3 years and is effectively a 100m off the wr. If he thought he could have got the world mark he would have attempted it, like he has attempted the shorter distances, as he says he wants all the distance records.
Are you saying it's irrelevant that the people who actually knows what he's capable of since they're competing against him, with better PRs, aren't making races faster, meaning he doesn't need to run faster than 12:48 to win every single 5k final he's competed in as a senior? I'd say it's quite the opposite.
Again, why do you think nobody runs faster than 12:48 when they're competing against him if that time is so slow like you're claiming it is?
Why are you bringing those 12:48 again? He is currently a 13:13 athlete - so, why are they not running faster than 13:13?
Are you saying it's irrelevant that the people who actually knows what he's capable of since they're competing against him, with better PRs, aren't making races faster, meaning he doesn't need to run faster than 12:48 to win every single 5k final he's competed in as a senior? I'd say it's quite the opposite.
Again, why do you think nobody runs faster than 12:48 when they're competing against him if that time is so slow like you're claiming it is?
When Jakob is beating guys like Cheptegei (12.35) and Gebrhiwet (12.36) and Kejelcha (12.38) that doesn’t mean that he is a sub 12.35 man. -It’s pure logic, because there are multiple athletes that beat the mentioned guys in those same races (Fisher, Grijalva, Kwemoi, Katir, O.Chelimo, Krop, Ahmed) and they would then all be sub 12.35, and who claims that..?
Are you saying it's irrelevant that the people who actually knows what he's capable of since they're competing against him, with better PRs, aren't making races faster, meaning he doesn't need to run faster than 12:48 to win every single 5k final he's competed in as a senior? I'd say it's quite the opposite.
Again, why do you think nobody runs faster than 12:48 when they're competing against him if that time is so slow like you're claiming it is?
When Jakob is beating guys like Cheptegei (12.35) and Gebrhiwet (12.36) and Kejelcha (12.38) that doesn’t mean that he is a sub 12.35 man. -It’s pure logic, because there are multiple athletes that beat the mentioned guys in those same races (Fisher, Grijalva, Kwemoi, Katir, O.Chelimo, Krop, Ahmed) and they would then all be sub 12.35, and who claims that..?
That's not what he is saying. What he is saying is that those faster guys are not sure Jakob can't follow then at 12:3x pace.
That's not what he is saying. What he is saying is that those faster guys are not sure Jakob can't follow then at 12:3x pace.
Of course the faster guys are not sure Jakob can’t follow at 12:3x pace. -Nobody knows for sure how fast Jakob can run, but everybody knows he can run relatively fast, whatever that means. And when f.x Armstronglivs thinks Jakob can do close to 12.40 that doesn’t mean that the quarrel is about if he can do 12.39 or not -Armstronglivs has stated that he sees no evidence of Jakob being a WR man in the 5000m, and I agree. And I also agree with him that Jakob’s many 5000m wins are no evidence of WR capabilities.
As you point out I possibly misplaced my answer since Koltrast not specifically (in his last post) says the things I call out, but I think he (and others) has done so in multiple other posts. But if I misrepresent / misremember his view I hope he corrects me. -I’m not here to win a discussion (by all means)…
I see no evidence of a Jakob capability of breaking the 5000m WR, but I neither see any evidence against it. But I see indications of 5000m not being his sweet spot, and therefore 12.35 hard to reach. (Because he then fades from his sweet point 3000m).
I’m a huge Jakob fan in so many ways, and on the track he has already outrun a lot of my biggest expectations, although I think it’s more to come. But if 5000m turns out to be his sweet spot I think I would be so happy and surprised that I would be sleepless for at least 3 nights. And if the sweet spot is the 10000m I think I need sleeping medication for the first time in my life. The half marathon as a sweet spot: Anti psychotics should be considered, and the marathon I don’t even want to talk about..!
I think there’s something “wrong” with Jakob, and I don’t necessarily mean that in a negative way:
Alternatives:
1. He had for some reason an unusual bad day (shape) in Copenhagen, that both affected his 10k and half marathon abilities severely. -Not too likely in my opinion since he is extremely consistent, and hasn’t had a long season (no indoors/xc), and has tackled less than 36 hours between events quite good many times. But a sickness some weeks earlier, 5 months winter training with very little running, thinning of his training in the track season, might have contributed to a bad performance. But why then this extreme difference in the quality of his 3/5k’s and a 10k/HM in good conditions and favourable drafting..?
2. Jakob is totally wrong when he claims to be better the longer the distance -this is unfounded dream thinking. My comment to this alternative is only that it might be true (Jakob looked at others that superficially have his traits, and -wrongly- identified with their range).
3. Jakob being correct in his assessment of his own talent (better the longer distance), but being incorrect in his claims about having a good long distance training. If this is correct he eventually have to change his training drastically to have any chance in the 10k and above…
I’m really looking forward to Jakob explaining what is hugely wrong in his earlier claims. For now I agree with Armstronglivs that he looked like a turkey trot in Copenhagen. And I would add that he should hang his head in shame, wear a blind fold and a mask and a huge hood to conceal his shame, although he somewhat makes up for it all with his tough struggle and not taking the easy way out, and all the other things he does that hugely makes someone like me respect him like almost no other…!
Whatever you want to believe I'm full of, the question was about you. You seem unable, or maybe unwilling, to confirm what you think. Do you even know where you stand?
The question isnt about me. It is about Ingebrigtsen. But you understand nothing about what motivates elite athletes. Why should you? You've achieved nothing in sports.
What have you achieved in sports again?
If the question isn't about you and your fantastic claims, what are you doing here?
If it is about Ingebrigtsen, then he wasn't sure he could even finish, after a season of 1500m. That is the proper reference to judge his race.
But here you have deluded yourself into fantastically claiming "most expected" him to run 57 minutes -- a claim you no longer stand by and keep backpedalling from. This is part of a long pattern.
What I like about these Ingebrigtsen threads is despite the endless drivel spouted by fans he is no nearer the 5k wr today than he was 3 years ago and he is no faster than 63 minutes - 34th place - for his self-claimed "best distance". He will never threaten the Africans in the HM.
He even gets slower
2021 12:48.45
2022 13:02.03
2023 13:11.30
2024 13:13.66
In a few years he's a 13:30 guy.
How many of those 5k races did he fail to finish first?
What I like about these Ingebrigtsen threads is despite the endless drivel spouted by fans he is no nearer the 5k wr today than he was 3 years ago and he is no faster than 63 minutes - 34th place - for his self-claimed "best distance". He will never threaten the Africans in the HM.
He even gets slower
2021 12:48.45
2022 13:02.03
2023 13:11.30
2024 13:13.66
In a few years he's a 13:30 guy.
You may be right. But until he shows it he is no faster than 12:48 and remains nowhere near the wr. So when is he going to break it - since you guys are so sure he will?
You also left out whether - or when - he will get the HM record, which he has also said he wants.
What other runners think is a red herring. It is irrelevant. It says nothing about why Ingebrigtsen has made no progress in running the event faster in 3 years and is effectively a 100m off the wr. If he thought he could have got the world mark he would have attempted it, like he has attempted the shorter distances, as he says he wants all the distance records.
Here you are yet again admitting that you really think that there is no indication of him getting faster in the 5000 😂
There is no indication he is faster over the 5k. He hasn't run any faster in 3 years. That he is faster over shorter distances has had no effect on his 5k times. If he is faster over 5k he will have to record faster times over the distance. It's a simple logic his fans don't seem to be able to follow.
What other runners think is a red herring. It is irrelevant. It says nothing about why Ingebrigtsen has made no progress in running the event faster in 3 years and is effectively a 100m off the wr. If he thought he could have got the world mark he would have attempted it, like he has attempted the shorter distances, as he says he wants all the distance records.
Are you saying it's irrelevant that the people who actually knows what he's capable of since they're competing against him, with better PRs, aren't making races faster, meaning he doesn't need to run faster than 12:48 to win every single 5k final he's competed in as a senior? I'd say it's quite the opposite.
Again, why do you think nobody runs faster than 12:48 when they're competing against him if that time is so slow like you're claiming it is?
12:48 is 13 seconds slower than the wr. Winning tactical races hasn't improved his best time. Nothing you argue changes that fact.
Here you are yet again admitting that you really think that there is no indication of him getting faster in the 5000 😂
There is no indication he is faster over the 5k. He hasn't run any faster in 3 years. That he is faster over shorter distances has had no effect on his 5k times.
Are you saying it's irrelevant that the people who actually knows what he's capable of since they're competing against him, with better PRs, aren't making races faster, meaning he doesn't need to run faster than 12:48 to win every single 5k final he's competed in as a senior? I'd say it's quite the opposite.
Again, why do you think nobody runs faster than 12:48 when they're competing against him if that time is so slow like you're claiming it is?
Why are you bringing those 12:48 again? He is currently a 13:13 athlete - so, why are they not running faster than 13:13?
You're pretty dim. What he is running currently is irrelevant to the fact that he hasn't improved his best time, which remains a considerable distance from the wr. Nothing he has done over the 5k in the last 3 years has got him any closer to that record.
There is no indication he is faster over the 5k. He hasn't run any faster in 3 years. That he is faster over shorter distances has had no effect on his 5k times.
7:17 3k has no effect on his 5k time?
Till he runs faster than 12:48 - no. It hasn't had any affect on his 800 pr either. Or the HM, apparently.
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