My tears are about people like you who are not able to think at 5 years old level.
"Any Kenyan who wins a race IS a cheater" is an unbelievable statement.
Shame on you if you don't give totally negative Feedback to Armstronglivs.
"Any Kenyan who wins a race IS a cheater" is a perfectly reasonable assumption to make.
It's certainly more reasonable than "Every Kenyan who has never been busted for PEDs is clean".
Most people should be given the benefit of the doubt, but when there are so many busts of big names, small names, medium names - until something is actually done about it (besides a bit of Kenyan damage limitation, lip service toward stopping it), we just have to presume every Kenyan athlete who succeeds is doing so illegally.
If my own country saw a doping bust occurring with the monotonous regularity that it is happening in Kenya I would say we should be banned at an international level. Our athletes would have shown that, as a body, they could no longer be trusted.
My tears are about people like you who are not able to think at 5 years old level.
"Any Kenyan who wins a race IS a cheater" is an unbelievable statement.
Shame on you if you don't give totally negative Feedback to Armstronglivs.
Your indignation amuses me. It is like those who refused to see E Bloc doping, Chinese doping, doping in pro wrestling, doping in baseball, doping in bodybuilding, doping in sprinting, doping in cycling - Lance Armstrong doping - and so it goes on. Kenyans are simply continuing the tradition that has long been part of elite sport. In recent years it has become glaringly obvious - so it's likely always been there.
Armstronglivs: Any Kenyan who ever has won a race is a cheater.
Shame on you for the rest of your life. What a terrible human you are.
Any athlete who is found guilty and is punished for anti-doping violations will never wear a Kenya vest at any event even if they serve their bans, AK president Jackson Tuwei.
Nice. Like Kiprop, who sent himself to jail, or Flanagan, who tried hard to get Shelburrito's ARs canceled. LOL
"Any Kenyan who wins a race IS a cheater" is a perfectly reasonable assumption to make.
It's certainly more reasonable than "Every Kenyan who has never been busted for PEDs is clean".
Sorry, now I see how stupid you really are, so you're forgiven.
Two options for you: any Kenyan is a cheater and any Kenyan is clean (apart from the positives).
The level in this forum really is astonishing.
You don't understand how probability works. If corruption has been shown to be endemic - as doping has in Kenya - then it is a safe bet that it is everywhere where it has been encountered - in business or politics, typically. Or - in this case - in Kenyan sport.
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Your indignation amuses me. It is like those who refused to see E Bloc doping, Chinese doping, doping in pro wrestling, doping in baseball, doping in bodybuilding, doping in sprinting, doping in cycling - Lance Armstrong doping - and so it goes on. Kenyans are simply continuing the tradition that has long been part of elite sport. In recent years it has become glaringly obvious - so it's likely always been there.
Armstronglivs: Any Kenyan who ever has won a race is a cheater.
Shame on you for the rest of your life. What a terrible human you are.
Probability suggests I am likely to be right. The incidence of doping violations coming out of Kenya shows their athletes can't be trusted.
Add a "likely" and "of importance" to your statement, and I go along with it:
Any Kenyan who wins a race of importance is likely a cheater.
How likely?
So you are not sure for an individual? What about the group of ALL good Kenyan runners? All of them are cheaters? You think it's good to do such an statement?
Every male under 2:05 in the marathon is doping or has some degree of chemical assistance. Every women under 2:14. Same with any track runner who makes the final of a major championship in a running event male or female.
What's with all the questions? How many (in %) of the top Kenyans dope in your opinion? How many Americans? What's the worldwide average?
More likely than not - what?
- every Kenyan who has won some race is a cheater is more likely than
- not every Kenyan who has won some race is a cheater
this?
Completely nonsense.
The percentage of doping Kenyans is not a matter of my - or someone else's - opinion.
Way too many variables just to guess - 20%? 80%?
More than 20% of the men's team at the 2017 World Championships have received suspensions. At least four of the fastest Kenyan marathoners of all time have received suspensions etc etc.
So it's around 20% top Kenyans who are actually getting busted. You have to be living in clown world to think that even half of the cheaters are getting caught.
When you get to the percentage of around 20% who are getting caught, and almost certainly at least double that doping, I think it's unlikely that it would be a case of 'just' one in two or three Kenyans is dirty. In other words, this top Kenyan decided to cheat, but this top Kenyan decided to compete clean, doesn't seem plausible. More likely that there we're in the realm of a completely different culture, where it's taken for granted that you dope to win.
Add a "likely" and "of importance" to your statement, and I go along with it:
Any Kenyan who wins a race of importance is likely a cheater.
We are both right. We aren't saying anything much different. "Is everybody doping at the top in Kenya or 'almost' everybody?" In the end, it doesn't make much difference, does it?
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When you get to the percentage of around 20% who are getting caught, and almost certainly at least double that doping, I think it's unlikely that it would be a case of 'just' one in two or three Kenyans is dirty. In other words, this top Kenyan decided to cheat, but this top Kenyan decided to compete clean, doesn't seem plausible. More likely that there we're in the realm of a completely different culture, where it's taken for granted that you dope to win.
What's with all the questions? How many (in %) of the top Kenyans dope in your opinion? How many Americans? What's the worldwide average?
More likely than not - what?
- every Kenyan who has won some race is a cheater is more likely than
- not every Kenyan who has won some race is a cheater
this?
Completely nonsense.
The percentage of doping Kenyans is not a matter of my - or someone else's - opinion.
Way too many variables just to guess - 20%? 80%?
You forgot your own question and its context. Let's recap:
Me: "Any Kenyan who wins a race of importance is likely a cheater." You: "How likely?"
Me: "More likely than not." That means that more Kenyan winners of important races are dopers than clean, i.e. over 50% of them.
In the end, you say "The percentage of doping Kenyans is not a matter of my - or someone else's - opinion. Way too many variables just to guess", but then you asked me such questions like "how likely"? That makes no sense.