This thread was originally titled, "Incredible development in the $612,000 Transcon Goodge run, currently ongoing" but the new title is more descriptive. The description of the run is here.
"Just 25p in every pound taken by the company that runs the London Marathon is paid to charity, an investigation has revealed. Huge amounts is instead lavished on bumper salaries and 'undisclosed' running costs instead of being handed out to good causes."
That's from 2010, but you got the idea.
Exactly. At least Goodge is more honest about what he is doing with the money than the London Marathon execs secretly taking it fire themselves.
No, because they take your money to put on a race and the fact that they give any money to charity is pretty cool. Especially 25%
This is the real answer here. No excuse really, to not have every single step recorded and available for anyone to watch
It’s honestly bizarre how identical this is to the Rob Young saga.
Half-assed attempt at documenting the real running that leaves ample room for fudging it. Afraid of people asking questions. Hostile to people that want to witness it. Message board defenders. Brand sponsorship. All social media fluff. Charity. British guy.
Didn’t LRC have stuff on the front page once the Rob Young reached a tipping point? Too bad this story hasn’t reached that point yet.
Are you telling me that every runner who have done an event like this has had a live tracker on them for every step? And, if they didn't, it shouldn't be considered completed?
For records set before the technology existed, not much can be expected as far as them "proving it."
But as another poster notes, when one claims to be pursuing a record like this it is more incumbent on the athlete and crew to prove it than ever before. We have seen too many frauds to not consider that threads like this are going to exist, and questions are going to be asked. That's why I wrote the list I did in this thread (of what they very reasonably should be doing to prove it).
Can you imagine how much better off the team would be if they took reasonable actions to prove he's doing what they claim?
Can you type them out to further debunk this "30 day marathon world record" claim? Pete Kostelnick is presumably one.
Pete Kostelnick
Frank Giannino Stan Cottrell Tom Bassano Marshall Ulrich Tom McGrath E. Gordon Brooks Serge Girard John Ball John Lees Marvin Swigart (a heart patient) Stu Mittleman
That's just people who've run across America. There will be others.
wow. its weird when you think; they cant all do that. and take on random one and find he reguarly does 1000's of miles in very few days, to see how ordinary goodge is, for $600k plus.
Frank Giannino Stan Cottrell Tom Bassano Marshall Ulrich Tom McGrath E. Gordon Brooks Serge Girard John Ball John Lees Marvin Swigart (a heart patient) Stu Mittleman
That's just people who've run across America. There will be others.
wow. its weird when you think; they cant all do that. and take on random one and find he reguarly does 1000's of miles in very few days, to see how ordinary goodge is, for $600k plus.
In the transcon world there is Pete's record and Sandra's record. That's it. Mike Wardian did it in 65 days in 2022 and barely mentioned it.
This has rather been lost in the recent avalanche of posts, but I'd like an answer to the "day 26 problem" I raised earlier.
The dodgy data theory states that WG systematically shows slowing heart rates, but only when not observed. Let's look at day 26.
There's a sudden drop of HR at 40k and leap at 80k, but the pace is largely sub 7 minute Ks between, what Will C calls world class. In particular take Ks 71 to 80, pace averages 6:40, heart rate averages 112. This fits exactly what Will C has been calling dirty. A subscriber to his theory would look at this data and conclude it's a slam dunk that the watch was passed on from WG at 40 and back to him at 80.
Except for the day 26 problem. Will C was there observing it..
In fact there are two problems:
- That it undermines the theory that these HR fluctuations are only present when WG isn't being watched. I would say fatally.
- Will C has labelled this clean. Care to ask yourself why?
Plenty of subscribers to the theory here, maybe one could explain this apparent anomaly?
This has rather been lost in the recent avalanche of posts, but I'd like an answer to the "day 26 problem" I raised earlier.
The dodgy data theory states that WG systematically shows slowing heart rates, but only when not observed. Let's look at day 26.
There's a sudden drop of HR at 40k and leap at 80k, but the pace is largely sub 7 minute Ks between, what Will C calls world class. In particular take Ks 71 to 80, pace averages 6:40, heart rate averages 112. This fits exactly what Will C has been calling dirty. A subscriber to his theory would look at this data and conclude it's a slam dunk that the watch was passed on from WG at 40 and back to him at 80.
Except for the day 26 problem. Will C was there observing it..
In fact there are two problems:
- That it undermines the theory that these HR fluctuations are only present when WG isn't being watched. I would say fatally.
- Will C has labelled this clean. Care to ask yourself why?
Plenty of subscribers to the theory here, maybe one could explain this apparent anomaly?
I think on "day 26", the 60 miles in the sunshine, willC was en route to the UK. His trip was too short to observe anything of significance. I don't think he has opined on dirty / clean data since his visit to the US but I can't be bothered to read all of the text. willC did note that a man in full on goretex rain gear wasn't running sub-7 k's or whatever but I chalk that up to the full on goretex rain gear.
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Charity fundraisers raise their money and none of it goes to LME in any way,care to show it does?
The London Marathon does in fact take a 6.9% cut of all donations since it is partners with Enthuse that takes in all the money from donations. The "charities" only get the remainder after the London Marathon and Enthuse take their cut. And you want to blame Goodge?
I have to agree, there's a strange drop in hr between 40 and 80 without any drop in pace (which is actually very even, grade adjusted). Would be nice to hear WillC's take on it. Did he in fact observe during that time? Were there any changes to the watch position during that time? Interesting stuff.
Charity fundraisers raise their money and none of it goes to LME in any way,care to show it does?
The London Marathon does in fact take a 6.9% cut of all donations since it is partners with Enthuse that takes in all the money from donations. The "charities" only get the remainder after the London Marathon and Enthuse take their cut. And you want to blame Goodge?
Charity fundraisers raise their money and none of it goes to LME in any way,care to show it does?
The London Marathon does in fact take a 6.9% cut of all donations since it is partners with Enthuse that takes in all the money from donations. The "charities" only get the remainder after the London Marathon and Enthuse take their cut. And you want to blame Goodge?
That's only the chunk from the race entries that the charity pays which is less than 10% of what the fundraiser raises for the charity, so taking about 20 bucks per runner which is a very fair admin fee.
Hi all,here's an update on another thread about the British runner William Goodge doing Transcon at the moment and some worrying irregularities.Namely that he runs at 150-170bpm in the first two days of his multidayers, colla...
The previous record was set in a race. That's that sorted then.
He does say he's a record holder on his website. For 48 marathons in 30 days. That's not a world record.
I truly don't know the answer to this question...has someone else done more than 48 marathons in 30 days?
Yes. Rob Young, prior to his transcon attempt had been doing motivational talks in schools telling his personal story that went like this:
"One day I woke up and thought: why not run a marathon? So I did that in the morning and went to work. On the way home, because I was feeling well, I thought: why not run a second marathon? So I did. And run TWO marathons per day for a long time."
That surely places him above Goodge's claim of 48 marathons in 30 days :-)
If any of these posts regarding the London Marathon, etc. are being made by someone on the crew.... that would be enough circumstantial evidence for me.
4. the way Will G's fundraiser is set up, he gets to withdraw all the money first (GoFundMe takes its %%), then subtract all expenses from the trip (including the salaries for the paid crew), then he supposedly donates the rest to the charity that will also take its cut for administration. transparency = zero. it is obvious to me that is less money for actual cancer research as opposed to 3.
That's where my concern lies. I suspect this guy may be funding a pet project under the guise of a charitable endeavor. He may not be a charlatan, but he's definitely raised some concerns.
I'm open to correction but from what I can see, the total money raised on GoFundMe (after GoFundme's fees) is supposed to be donated to the specified cause - he shouldn't subtract his own expenses. There's two charities listed though, so if he avoids clearly stating the figure donated to each of them then something is probably off
If we're looking for the endurance kings and queens, who will make 48 marathons in 30 days look like an absolute joke, we should look to the Sri Chinmoy Self-Transcendance race. Held every summer on a city block in Queens, it's a 3100 mile race where racers are forced to rest from midnight to 6am each day.
There's a 52 day time limit. To finish, you need to average at least 59.5 miles per day. The record is under 40.5 days, which comes out to over 76.6 miles or 2.9 marathons per day. There are finishers pretty much every year. Some people have finished 15+ times. Record holder Ashprihanal Aalto has finished 16 times.
These people all go quietly about their insane feats of endurance and don't peddle snake oil on Instagram.
If any of these posts regarding the London Marathon, etc. are being made by someone on the crew.... that would be enough circumstantial evidence for me.
Sneakers is clearly a crew member,highly likely its Robbie Balenger.
