Atantic Region XC - D3

Yeah, we did keep that in mind. What we're wondering is, did Geneseo's coach keep that in mind and therefore not have the girls team race a 100% effort.

Here's my take on it, for what's worth. Wiszowaty and Montgomery went out together for just over the first mile, with O'Sullivan and Wilson running separate, but not too far away. It was in the trail through the starting area that Wiszowaty really broke away from Montgomery. At about 2.25 miles she had a 35 second lead, O'Sullivan was about 10 seconds back at this point, with Wilson another 7-8 seconds back of her. Merrill and Finke were still within 15 seconds of Wilson. Wiszowaty continued to pull away. O'Sullivan and Wilson closed in some on Montgomery over the last mile, but not enough to pass her. Before the final trail, O'Sullivan was around 6 seconds back, so she gained about 3 seconds in the final 1/2 mile.

I wouldn't say Montgomery was taking it easy. It looked like she was struggling, but she was still strong enough to hold off O'Sullivan's late charge. Griggs didn't run and was in jeans at the meet. I don't know why she isn't running.

New Top 10 Rankings:

1.Cortland

2.NYU

3.Geneseo

4.RIT

5.TCNJ

6.St. Lawrence

7.Brockport

8.RPI

9.Ithaca

10.Oswego

griggs has a season ending injury (second one for woods' top girls in less than a year, ???), montgomery collapsed at the finish just like pre-regional, wiszowaty jogged through the shoot and continued to run to cheer on her teammates. Wait until they get Busby back after her semester abroad. Plattsburgh women were definately the most improved team, you have to realize, no Busby this year and they still pulled off a couple huge upsets, Fredonia second most improved, definately two great women coaches. Could we see some emerging women's team to challenge Geneseo in a year or two?

1) NYU

2) Cortland

3) Geneseo

4) TCNJ

5) RIT

6) Brockport (are performing very well...run out of gas? Pack looks too strong.)

7) SLU

8) Plattsburgh (heard from valid source that half the team including DeShane were very sick last week and on race day)

9) Ithaca

10) Oneonta (Durkin lost shoe @ Yac's, others just did not perform, Lopiccolo will have them ready at Regionals if they don't peak for ECAC again like last year)

How do you have Plattsburgh and Oneonta in front of Oswego after this weekend? It doesn't matter about losing shoes or being sick, they got beat. They may be capable of better than they showed but rankings are based on what you show.

Thank goodness you dont really vote, kinda funny if the coaches poll changes much, since it would be the second time this year NYU has run well to silence their critics, only to lose a ranking place in a week they didnt run their top 10, and still won a meet.SUNYAC's for the men really doesnt mean much, given the conditions of the course, it's shortness (that last 3:15 of running sure can make a difference), and no one giving a true play by play of the race. Is there anyone unbiased enough to say how it ran? Did those guys go with deshane and die? From the results one would guess they all packed it up and stayed tight, then whoever felt good on the end kicked. There is no way cortland can have a 15 second spread in a meet like regionals or NCAA's.Nally and Cloke will need to be further up in the race, making it more like a 50 second spread.So any one want to tell some real details of how the race played out?

runner65 wrote:

New Top 10 Rankings:

1.Cortland

2.NYU

3.Geneseo

4.RIT

5.TCNJ

6.St. Lawrence

7.Brockport

8.RPI

9.Ithaca

10.Oswego

I was there; Yes Nally and Cloke went out too fast and died. At one point about 1000m into the race Deshane looked to his right and left to see the two Cortland guys on either side. They were died from three mils on. However, even with another 3+ minutes of running the team results wouldn’t have changed. The Cortland guys were fading but not enough for G-State to win as a team. I also know that Cortland was aware of the short course and went out fast for that very reason. I would wager they run more conservative at Regionals and beat Geneseo by even more.

I was also told at the meet that Griggs will be running at Nationals. She’s an animal and can go off of 25 miles a week. They think it's worth the risk . . . not sure if thats a good idea.

Still there has been no explanation as to how the men's course could be so significantly short (hello BSC Coaches?), but it was the same for all 11 teams who had the opportunity to view it Friday/Saturday.

Cortland ran a great race; it was key to get out and position early as it was going to become increasingly difficult to pass as the course worsened in lap 2. Any strategy to come from behind was likely flawed.

The Geneseo women were still impressive, and as many as 3 other SUNYAC schools could have female All-Americans in a few weeks.

The teams that had their best races of the year should be congratulated for doing so; while there is very important racing left, the conference race is quite important to all SUNYAC administrators.

I agree, I know the conditions of the course were far from ideal, but in a championship meet the race directors have got to measure and do their best to ensure it is a standard legit 8k. It would have been a crazy, messy race regardless if it were 2-3 minutes longer in duration, seeing 23's and 24's for a course which was like running in quicksand with timberlands on is ridiclous. All that said, it was a pretty fun and exiciting race to both run and observe. That #10 spot at regionals is still up for grabs for any 4-7 sunyac team. There were lots of variables for several teams that day and regionals is still a whole new ball game for the top 10 regional spots and a rematch of the SUNYAC teams against themselves and with the likes of NYU, RIT and Ithaca thrown in there.

interesting elk blood drinker that you would leave SLU and RPI out of discussion for regionals top 10. They both beat ithaca and slu was only 9 points behind RIT. And leave lowe out of it. The way he has been running he would not have been top 5 for RIT anyway. It looks like slu is holding down the sixth spot in the region and hoping for a bad race from RIT or TCNJ at regionals. Even then it would take a great race from them and their freshman. Interesting to see that they only had one freshman in their top 5 at saratoga for the first time this year. Either they are falling off or some of their upperclassmen are stepping it up come championship time.

I left out the other teams just because I was talking about the SUNYAC teams and how they would fit in at the fight for the top 10 in region. I also know less about SLU and RPI and have not seen them race in person yet. Geneseo and Cortland will be up against NYU and RIT in the top 4 and the rest of the SUNY teams will be battling for spots 9-10 with the likes of Ithaca and RPI. Brockport will fight it out with SLU sandwiched in the middle.

TCNJ should have plenty to say about top 4 spots at regionals - don't forget about them

Latest Polls are up.

NYU #1?

Griggs has not been running for 3 weeks now and Geneseo's plan is to have her ready for regionals (5 weeks off). As for the other major injury, Mongomery slipped on the ice running at home and broke her ankle in two places last December, hardly anyone's fault - just bad luck. She should get the comeback of the year award for what she's done this fall after missing her indoor and outdoor season rehabbing.

TCNJ are the defending regional champs, let's not forget that. Granted there have been monster runs by some other teams in the region (Cortland at Paul Short, NYU at Oshkosh, Geneseo at Pre Nats), but they are the champs until dethroned. I am not saying TCNJ will repeat this year, even though that would not be a total shock, but there should be talk about them making a push for the top spot. They may not have that #1 runner like NYU had in Hany last year, but their pack is just as good as anyone in this region. They had sub-par races last year at regionals and nationals, and look what still happened: they WON regionals and took 10th at nats! They lost 3 key runners from last years team, but just like any other good program, have a host of others back and others that have been performing well. Their races as of late haven't been amazing, but they always seem to be on their A game around regionals time (regional champs 3 of the past 4 years). The point is to get to nationals and this year's regional race, team and individual wise will be a dandy, one of the best in a long time. I hope our region gets 5 teams to the big dance, that would show how strong our region is. Hopefully instead of killing each other at regionals, maybe NYU, TCNJ, Geneseo, Cortland and RIT can push each other so they all make nats. Just because a team might win regionals, doesn't mean they are the better team and will do the best at nationals. So instead of trying to say who is going to win regionals, let's see who can make it there first.

the last sentence should say, So instead of trying to say who is going to win regionals and who could get to nationals, let's see who can make it there first.

big shakedown in the women's poll. it just goes to show how accurate the rankings really are.

How many teams will the women's region get? I think we would all love to see 5, but i dont feel like we are that strong. How do other regions look right now? Anybody look at this in depth to see what regions will get the most teams?