It still doesn't make him faster. It puts him nowhere near the wr. He remains a 12:48 runner whatever you guys say until he records better.
How many times have you written "12:48" in the last few months? Probably hundreds of times. Are you working on the list of powers of 2? Could you already figure out the next one in the list? What's your goal? Up to 2^6? Hard task.
This 12:48 runner has easily beaten the 12:36 runner. The 12:35 guy came in 9th the last time he raced Ingebrigtsen, who easily has won also here. Since then the 12:35er doesn't care anymore..
Guess what all the other around 12:40 runners did when they raced against the slow Norwegian...
Sure he has beaten other runners yet he still apparently hasn't run faster than 12:48 in 3 years. Perhaps you can point to a race where he has? When was it?
The prevalent view on these threads is that Ingebrigtsen can succeed over the longer distances as much as he has over the shorter ones.
Haven't he already with his 2xwc golds and olympic gold in the 5000?
He is nowhere near the world record in the 5k and has accomplished nothing in the longer distances, either on the roads or the track. That isnt a top "distance runner" - unless you're choosing to disrespect Bekele among others.
Haven't he already with his 2xwc golds and olympic gold in the 5000?
He is nowhere near the world record in the 5k and has accomplished nothing in the longer distances, either on the roads or the track. That isnt a top "distance runner" - unless you're choosing to disrespect Bekele among others.
Are you losing track of what you are saying (its in the quoted post) or are you saying that he needs a WR in 5000 to equal his middle distance stuff?
Haven't he already with his 2xwc golds and olympic gold in the 5000?
He is nowhere near the world record in the 5k and has accomplished nothing in the longer distances, either on the roads or the track. That isnt a top "distance runner" - unless you're choosing to disrespect Bekele among others.
You're the only person here who has brought up Bekele, and nobody has claimed Jakob is a better long distance runner than him. Do you wake up and start arguing with yourself in the mirror?
Haven't he already with his 2xwc golds and olympic gold in the 5000?
He is nowhere near the world record in the 5k and has accomplished nothing in the longer distances, either on the roads or the track. That isnt a top "distance runner" - unless you're choosing to disrespect Bekele among others.
In the 5000m he already has achieved a lot, and you can argue he has achieved more than in the 1500m/Mile here (3 global golds, 3 european golds). So far he doesn't race the distance on the cirquit and wasn't in a really fast race in the last three seasons. But he has always beaten all the worlds best in the big one. He hasn't raced the 10000m so far and we have to wait what he can do there.
You can call him like you want. But his global results say he is better in the 5000m than in the 1500m:
1500m: 4 - 1 - 2 - 2 - 4
5000m: 5 - dnc - 1 - 1 - 1
Add his fantastic world records over 3000m and 2 Miles and he clearly has done better in "the longer events" than he has in the 1500m/Mile.
He is nowhere near the world record in the 5k and has accomplished nothing in the longer distances, either on the roads or the track. That isnt a top "distance runner" - unless you're choosing to disrespect Bekele among others.
In the 5000m he already has achieved a lot, and you can argue he has achieved more than in the 1500m/Mile here (3 global golds, 3 european golds). So far he doesn't race the distance on the cirquit and wasn't in a really fast race in the last three seasons. But he has always beaten all the worlds best in the big one. He hasn't raced the 10000m so far and we have to wait what he can do there.
You can call him like you want. But his global results say he is better in the 5000m than in the 1500m:
1500m: 4 - 1 - 2 - 2 - 4
5000m: 5 - dnc - 1 - 1 - 1
Add his fantastic world records over 3000m and 2 Miles and he clearly has done better in "the longer events" than he has in the 1500m/Mile.
Yes but the 1500/Mile still remains his main event. He has stacked up 4 consecutive world #1 rankings in this event. He races and wins it most often.
He is nowhere near the world record in the 5k and has accomplished nothing in the longer distances, either on the roads or the track. That isnt a top "distance runner" - unless you're choosing to disrespect Bekele among others.
Are you losing track of what you are saying (its in the quoted post) or are you saying that he needs a WR in 5000 to equal his middle distance stuff?
I've said a variety of things. Basically I'm saying Ingebrigtsen hasn't shown the same talent over longer distances as he has over shorter distances. I think his strength is 2k-2miles. I don't think he is a distance runner - as Bekele was - but a md runner with a 5k outer limit. Like El G. Unlike some posters I very much doubt he will break Cheptegei's wr in the 5k. But I am not saying he needs to do that to match his md abilities, but that he needs to be at least close to the record - as he has shown in the 1500/mile - so better than 12:40. 12:38 I would definitely respect and say it is comparable to 3:26-high. I don't think he will ever be competitive at 10k or above.
He is nowhere near the world record in the 5k and has accomplished nothing in the longer distances, either on the roads or the track. That isnt a top "distance runner" - unless you're choosing to disrespect Bekele among others.
You're the only person here who has brought up Bekele, and nobody has claimed Jakob is a better long distance runner than him. Do you wake up and start arguing with yourself in the mirror?
Bekele is the measure of a great distance runner. That is what Ingebrigtsen is measured against if it is being argued he is a distance runner comparable to his md abilities. As yet, he doesn't get close to Bekele.
You have written championship-wise Ingebrigtsen is "nowhere near" to Farah in the 5000m.
Just absurd, when Farah has won his first global title at 28 (and 5 at all) and Ingebrigtsen already stands at 3 at age 23 (now and in summer 24).
Farah:
age 24: 6
age 25: did not reach final
age 26: 7
age 28: 1
age 29: 1
age 30: 1
age 32: 1
age 33: 1
age 34: 2
Ingebrigtsen:
age 18: 5
age 21: 1
age 22: 1
age 23: 1
Add the Europeans where Ingebrigtsen already has as many golds as Farah at the end of his career.
Farah matured late. Ingebrigtsen was a teen prodigy. But the comparisons now are between what they each have achieved in open competition - where age doesn't count. Farah remains far ahead of Ingebrigtsen when it comes to global championship distance victories. You have no idea where Ingebrigtsen's career may go. He could get injured or burn out - like Ryun, another teen prodigy, did.
Are you losing track of what you are saying (its in the quoted post) or are you saying that he needs a WR in 5000 to equal his middle distance stuff?
I've said a variety of things. Basically I'm saying Ingebrigtsen hasn't shown the same talent over longer distances as he has over shorter distances. I think his strength is 2k-2miles. I don't think he is a distance runner - as Bekele was - but a md runner with a 5k outer limit. Like El G. Unlike some posters I very much doubt he will break Cheptegei's wr in the 5k. But I am not saying he needs to do that to match his md abilities, but that he needs to be at least close to the record - as he has shown in the 1500/mile - so better than 12:40. 12:38 I would definitely respect and say it is comparable to 3:26-high. I don't think he will ever be competitive at 10k or above.
So his results in the md is worth more than 2x WC gold and one olympic gold?
Are you losing track of what you are saying (its in the quoted post) or are you saying that he needs a WR in 5000 to equal his middle distance stuff?
I've said a variety of things. Basically I'm saying Ingebrigtsen hasn't shown the same talent over longer distances as he has over shorter distances. I think his strength is 2k-2miles. I don't think he is a distance runner - as Bekele was - but a md runner with a 5k outer limit. Like El G. Unlike some posters I very much doubt he will break Cheptegei's wr in the 5k. But I am not saying he needs to do that to match his md abilities, but that he needs to be at least close to the record - as he has shown in the 1500/mile - so better than 12:40. 12:38 I would definitely respect and say it is comparable to 3:26-high. I don't think he will ever be competitive at 10k or above.
In championships, he has done better in the 5000m than in the 1500m. He has never gone for time in the event, so we just can speculate how fast he can go. Pretty sure at least 12:40, probably much faster.
Long distance starts at 3000m. From there on, Ingebrigtsen has achieved a lot:
WR 3000m
WR 2 Miles
2x World champion 5000m
Olympic champion 5000m
3 x European Indoor champion 3000m
6 x European Cross (6 - 10km) champion (incl. juniors)
Looking just at the long distances (3000m and up) for sure he is not comparable to Gebrselassie or Bekele who were pure long distance runners who were equally strong at 5000m and at 10000m.
Being as strong as Ingebrigtsen already is from 1500m to 5000m (and partly beyond) is very rare, much more difficult than the 5000m-10000m combination. And we have to wait if he can extend to the 10000m at the highest level. He would reach unique territory, apart from some historically figures like Nurmi and Iharos.
You're the only person here who has brought up Bekele, and nobody has claimed Jakob is a better long distance runner than him. Do you wake up and start arguing with yourself in the mirror?
Bekele is the measure of a great distance runner. That is what Ingebrigtsen is measured against if it is being argued he is a distance runner comparable to his md abilities. As yet, he doesn't get close to Bekele.
Jakobs abilities in long distance is better than his abilities in middle distance because he has more global golds and more world records in long distance compared to middle distance.
You're the only person here who has brought up Bekele, and nobody has claimed Jakob is a better long distance runner than him. Do you wake up and start arguing with yourself in the mirror?
Bekele is the measure of a great distance runner. That is what Ingebrigtsen is measured against if it is being argued he is a distance runner comparable to his md abilities. As yet, he doesn't get close to Bekele.
middle distance: 800m up to the Mile
Ingebrigtsen is not comparable to Coe here, who excelled at the full spectrum
long distance: 3000m up to 10000m (it seems you recently got it that 5000m is a long distance event? - after following athletics for well over half a century)
Ingebrigtsen is not comparable (so far) to Bekele here, who excelled at the full spectrum (also behind Ingebrigtsen at 3000m)
So he really is not a very good distance runner (800m and up) - in your weird "thinking"
Haven't he already with his 2xwc golds and olympic gold in the 5000?
He is nowhere near the world record in the 5k and has accomplished nothing in the longer distances, either on the roads or the track. That isnt a top "distance runner" - unless you're choosing to disrespect Bekele among others.
I appreciate your respect for Bekele. I too like him over Jakob. It’s not that we hate Jakob but comparatively compared to Bekele he is LESS likeable. For some reason we both love halting English, tentative hand gestures, and a humble demeanor. 🤜
In the 5000m he already has achieved a lot, and you can argue he has achieved more than in the 1500m/Mile here (3 global golds, 3 european golds). So far he doesn't race the distance on the cirquit and wasn't in a really fast race in the last three seasons. But he has always beaten all the worlds best in the big one. He hasn't raced the 10000m so far and we have to wait what he can do there.
You can call him like you want. But his global results say he is better in the 5000m than in the 1500m:
1500m: 4 - 1 - 2 - 2 - 4
5000m: 5 - dnc - 1 - 1 - 1
Add his fantastic world records over 3000m and 2 Miles and he clearly has done better in "the longer events" than he has in the 1500m/Mile.
Yes but the 1500/Mile still remains his main event. He has stacked up 4 consecutive world #1 rankings in this event. He races and wins it most often.
Sure but don’t you find something still just doesn’t add up about him in this event? It’s like ever since he got COVID he lost some luster. I could see his before and after COVID tests on my copper dowsing rods. I’m a building biologist and I use these ancient rods developed in Germany to test the degree of positive health in people through photos they send me.
I tested a pic of Jakob at Tokyo 2021 and world indoor 1500m wr in Lille just before he got COVID and my rods were vibrating with huge amplitude anti clockwise moments.
next I tested a pic of Jakob at world indoors 2022 where he lost, Eugene 2022, Budapest 2023 and Prefontaine 2023 and instantly my rods registered a small clockwise moments spin. And the amplitude kept getting bigger from world indoors 2022 to Prefontaine 2023.
The last I checked with my rods was in Brussels 2024 and it was still clockwise spin moments with same amplitude.
You see the knowledge I possess is avant- grade secrets of the universe hitherto not respected by you and other men and organizations walking this earth. To people like us the answers are like plain dumb before our eyes while to people like you and the rest you struggle to find closure and rationality about why Jakob is not performing as predictably as he should be like Bekele who always wins. The answer has been detected and revealed by my ancient dowsing rods.
Anticlockwise moments——good health good energy good bodily power good psychic strength and mental resilience.
Clockwise moments——-bad health bad bodily energy which can only be caused by viral infections like HIV, COVID, herpes, you name it.
You have written championship-wise Ingebrigtsen is "nowhere near" to Farah in the 5000m.
Just absurd, when Farah has won his first global title at 28 (and 5 at all) and Ingebrigtsen already stands at 3 at age 23 (now and in summer 24).
Farah:
age 24: 6
age 25: did not reach final
age 26: 7
age 28: 1
age 29: 1
age 30: 1
age 32: 1
age 33: 1
age 34: 2
Ingebrigtsen:
age 18: 5
age 21: 1
age 22: 1
age 23: 1
Add the Europeans where Ingebrigtsen already has as many golds as Farah at the end of his career.
Farah matured late. Ingebrigtsen was a teen prodigy. But the comparisons now are between what they each have achieved in open competition - where age doesn't count. Farah remains far ahead of Ingebrigtsen when it comes to global championship distance victories. You have no idea where Ingebrigtsen's career may go. He could get injured or burn out - like Ryun, another teen prodigy, did.
Forget about what others predictions are. We need something more objective about Jakob’s potency for the future, and in my ancient dowsing rods I present to one and all on LRC my unique one and only insights that cannot be found elsewhere except with people who ply the same trade as I do—-building biology. I’m a building biologist trained and certified. I have been operating my ancient dowsing rods whom I call ‘master’ in my lingo to test homes, offices, land, humans, animals, plants, cemeteries you name it.
My lucky rods have detected a shift in vibrational energy content in Jakob before and after world indoor 2022 where he famously got COVID virus and lost the race and then lose the next 3 championships as well. In particular, Jakob’s homeostatic balance shifted from negative (anti clockwise electron spin moments) before world indoors and before he got COVID to positive (clockwise electron spin moments) at world indoors and after he got COVID. And he hasn’t been able to rid himself of the virus entirely as the positive spin remains till this day in 2024/25 with large amplitudes than ever. His body is struggling to maintain energetic homeostasis due to now dormant COVID virus forever lingering in him which is affecting his energy output on the track and roads.
I know I have all the answersand I know there are going to skeptics and my salvo to them is ‘you don’t know what you don’t know until the day the are willing to try learning and understanding new information.’
you guys gonna thank me for this information when Jakob retires because his very future has been accurately portended by just a simple copper road.
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