Addy Wiley 1:57.64!!!

When the thread devolves from 30 pages of Astro’s repetitive doping accusations into arguing red vs blue politics after trying to assign one side to an athlete, that’s a sign it’s time for mods to lock this thread and let it die.

Lol, I don't think the thread needs to be locked (but I never do). That said it is getting a little out there when politics and what the meaning of "Christian" find their way on a thread about a runner's great recent result.

She ran a 4:46.93 1600m as a 9th grader. That’s talented.

no one is saying that she's not talented. Of course she was/is a talent. But her proximity to shady people is what causes the suspicion not the notion that she wasn't talented.

Is everyone a murderer who lives in South Chicago?

Your comparisons between Ryun at 15 and Wiley are ridiculous. For a start, almost no one has had the career path that Ryun did, that produced md world records at 19.

The time you refer to when Ryun ran his first ever mile, of a very pedestrian 5.38 at age 15 (it isn't even good for a 12 year old) when he was untrained and with no background in the sport, to when he achieved 4.08 at 16, bears no relationship to the kind of jump in performance that Wiley has made after several years of training and competing. It is quite simply irrelevant to the discussion.

There is nothing in Ryun's progression that suggests Wiley is an equivalent talent, who could make the kind of leaps in performance that he made at the very beginning of his running career. These huge improvements he made also did not occur after several years of hard training and competing, when he peaked at 19-20 and then got no better.

The point raised in this thread is that Wiley didn't show an outlier talent until recently, when she suddenly made a very big jump in performance levels, while being associated with a team that has been discredited. There are even former college athletes in this thread saying they don't buy it. That was never so for Ryun.

If they were associated with Capone there was a good chance they were.

She didn't show outstanding talent? She was the fastest freshmen in the US.

As I said above, Ryun had never run a mile before when he ran 5:38 at age 15 - which is pedestrian even for a runner that age and indicated little of what was to follow. There is also nothing yet that shows Wiley is a similar order of talent to Ryun, who was a world record-holder at 19.

Being the fastest freshman in the US isn't comparable to what she has suddenly achieved with world class 800 times. That isn't merely a top college athlete but an outlier, and it comes while being associated with a discredited coaching team.

If the athlete in question had made a 7 sec drop in her best 800m time - which has been identified here as the biggest improvement by any US teenage female athlete over this distance - from a background of having only just entered the sport, that is one thing. But to do this after several years of participation in the sport, while there are issues associated with the coaching team at her college, defies credibility.

Janet Chemusto had a six second drop in her pr before she was busted, going from 2:06 to 2:00 at altitude in a year. That is a good test case.

You may want to view the record lists because every time she has posted is legitimate. Too bad for you. They are all credible.

astro is that you ?

Sinclaire Johnson and Cory McGee are both on the Brussels start list as of this morning.

That was a test case? I thought it was a real life situation.

This is what I’m much more interested in though (over whether or not Wiley was/is doping). Has the administration at HU actually been held accountable for allowing this to happen? It’s egregious.