The article was initially entiteld, "Zane Robertston!!!!" but we changed it to make it more descriptive. Here is our article on his bust and fake excuses (he said he went to a hospital for a COvid-19 vaccine but they gave him EPO instead) which points out that in 2016 he expressed frutation at the amount of doping in the sport:
I will lead you right to the water. Let's see if you can make yourself drink, or if you will still need someone else to spoon it in your mouth. Since your internet search skills are sorely wanting, I will provide you a clickable link directly to your own post from three short months ago -- let's see if you have 1) read this post this far (it is a lot of words), and 2) can click the link, and 3) read your own post with comprehension, and 4) find the names of the 2 missing World Record setting Kenyans, responsible for setting 4 more World Records, hidden in the quote you quoted from "slowwer" in your reply.
If you get lost, your post is post #856, but you can also find slowwer's answer in the post #852 to Coevett, and on the previous page in post #833:
Since you haven't supported your claims as I asked I am no longer interested in what you or your minions have to say about Kenyan "world records" before 1980. It is also a complete digression from the subject of the thread - and you always insist on sticking to the subject. But only when it suits you.
I am more interested in what is current and what is relevant, which is the constant stream of evidence of Kenya doping. The AIU has just given us further useful information about that.
But this constant wrestling with doping apologists like yourself is always a futile task and, for now, simply too tedious to persist with. You also showed what kind of person you are with the Kara Goucher thread. You make me want to go and wash my hands after engaging with you.
I am gobsmacked. I predicted you wouldn't drink the water, but ask to be spoonfed.
I just gave you the link to your own post that contains the information exactly as you asked, backing up every one of my claims, while proving you had the information all along, three months ago, and you respond with blatant gaslighting.
It's unsurprising when proven completely wrong, as well as ignorant, and incompetent, you feign indifference, change the subject to anything else, and commit more childish name calling and personal attacks.
Don't blame me for your inability to inform yourself or use a search function.
For someone who now says he wants to stay on topic, the subject of this thread is Zane, not Kenyan doping, the AIU, nor Kara.
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Since you haven't supported your claims as I asked I am no longer interested in what you or your minions have to say about Kenyan "world records" before 1980. It is also a complete digression from the subject of the thread - and you always insist on sticking to the subject. But only when it suits you.
I am more interested in what is current and what is relevant, which is the constant stream of evidence of Kenya doping. The AIU has just given us further useful information about that.
But this constant wrestling with doping apologists like yourself is always a futile task and, for now, simply too tedious to persist with. You also showed what kind of person you are with the Kara Goucher thread. You make me want to go and wash my hands after engaging with you.
I am gobsmacked. I predicted you wouldn't drink the water, but ask to be spoonfed.
I just gave you the link to your own post that contains the information exactly as you asked, backing up every one of my claims, while proving you had the information all along, three months ago, and you respond with blatant gaslighting.
It's unsurprising when proven completely wrong, as well as ignorant, and incompetent, you feign indifference, change the subject to anything else, and commit more childish name calling and personal attacks.
Don't blame me for your inability to inform yourself or use a search function.
For someone who now says he wants to stay on topic, the subject of this thread is Zane, not Kenyan doping, the AIU, nor Kara.
Most people when challenged to back up an assertion would attempt to supply the facts to do so, but you and your stooges think it's enough to say "look it up" when it is you and they who have to supply the proof. What a strange universe you live in. It's certainly not the real world. But it's because you can't back it up.
But your silly parlour game is at least a distraction for you from the real issue which is the extent of Kenyan doping. You do nothing but downplay it. Your cult requires it.
I am gobsmacked. I predicted you wouldn't drink the water, but ask to be spoonfed.
I just gave you the link to your own post that contains the information exactly as you asked, backing up every one of my claims, while proving you had the information all along, three months ago, and you respond with blatant gaslighting.
It's unsurprising when proven completely wrong, as well as ignorant, and incompetent, you feign indifference, change the subject to anything else, and commit more childish name calling and personal attacks.
Don't blame me for your inability to inform yourself or use a search function.
For someone who now says he wants to stay on topic, the subject of this thread is Zane, not Kenyan doping, the AIU, nor Kara.
Most people when challenged to back up an assertion would attempt to supply the facts to do so, but you and your stooges think it's enough to say "look it up" when it is you and they who have to supply the proof. What a strange universe you live in. It's certainly not the real world. But it's because you can't back it up.
But your silly parlour game is at least a distraction for you from the real issue which is the extent of Kenyan doping. You do nothing but downplay it. Your cult requires it.
Do you mean like how you backed up your claims that it was "only 2", or "only 4", or "I found 6 now -- only 6 -- no way it is 10 -- third time's a charm"?
How many times have I asked you to back up your claims, only for you to say it doesn't interest you, or it's not for you to educate me? I'd say you back up 1% of your claims. Apparently you are not like most people either.
Most people would be able to find who set world records without have to ask others for proof. Gub found it in 1 minute. The '60s and '70s were your era -- you lived it!
Now everyone else knows that "slowwer" backed up the claim in January -- three times! He gave one of the names back in December 15th.
My claim was that you couldn't find it and would demand to be spoon fed, and blame it on others, demonstrating both incompetence and ignorance of track history. You checked every box collossally.
But now all of the claims are completely backed up -- every claim! The incompetence, ignorance, laziness, projection of blame, and telling you three months ago. No more excuses. It's all over but your apologies for your unjustified arrogance, and you learning lessons from this collossal demonstration of your failure to inform yourself of basic history.
As you are still too lazy, had you simply clicked on the link with the support you say I didn't provide, you would have found the missing names IN YOUR POST, proving all the claims. Here's what was one click away, IN YOUR POST from "3 months ago 01/07/2023 2:02am EST":
slowwer wrote:
3000m: Keino and Rono world record (the latter lasted until 1989)
5000m: Keino and Rono world record
10000m: Kimobwa and Rono world record (the latter lasted until 1984)
steeple: Jipcho and Rono world record (the latter lasted until 1989)
It is gobsmackingly unfathomable that despite your false confidence in your knowledge of track history, and your false arrogance, at first you couldn't even find Rono's 10000m world record (claiming many times "No records"). Eventually you found it, but still didn't find who he took the record from. Similar story with steeple.
And somehow unsurprisingly, you don't admit your mistakes and blame others for not being normal.
Most people when challenged to back up an assertion would attempt to supply the facts to do so, but you and your stooges think it's enough to say "look it up" when it is you and they who have to supply the proof. What a strange universe you live in. It's certainly not the real world. But it's because you can't back it up.
But your silly parlour game is at least a distraction for you from the real issue which is the extent of Kenyan doping. You do nothing but downplay it. Your cult requires it.
Do you mean like how you backed up your claims that it was "only 2", or "only 4", or "I found 6 now -- only 6 -- no way it is 10 -- third time's a charm"?
How many times have I asked you to back up your claims, only for you to say it doesn't interest you, or it's not for you to educate me? I'd say you back up 1% of your claims. Apparently you are not like most people either.
Most people would be able to find who set world records without have to ask others for proof. Gub found it in 1 minute. The '60s and '70s were your era -- you lived it!
Now everyone else knows that "slowwer" backed up the claim in January -- three times! He gave one of the names back in December 15th.
My claim was that you couldn't find it and would demand to be spoon fed, and blame it on others, demonstrating both incompetence and ignorance of track history. You checked every box collossally.
But now all of the claims are completely backed up -- every claim! The incompetence, ignorance, laziness, projection of blame, and telling you three months ago. No more excuses. It's all over but your apologies for your unjustified arrogance, and you learning lessons from this collossal demonstration of your failure to inform yourself of basic history.
As you are still too lazy, had you simply clicked on the link with the support you say I didn't provide, you would have found the missing names IN YOUR POST, proving all the claims. Here's what was one click away, IN YOUR POST from "3 months ago 01/07/2023 2:02am EST":
slowwer wrote:
3000m: Keino and Rono world record (the latter lasted until 1989)
5000m: Keino and Rono world record
10000m: Kimobwa and Rono world record (the latter lasted until 1984)
steeple: Jipcho and Rono world record (the latter lasted until 1989)
It is gobsmackingly unfathomable that despite your false confidence in your knowledge of track history, and your false arrogance, at first you couldn't even find Rono's 10000m world record (claiming many times "No records"). Eventually you found it, but still didn't find who he took the record from. Similar story with steeple.
And somehow unsurprisingly, you don't admit your mistakes and blame others for not being normal.
So finally you deign to say us who the record-holders were. Why so coy for so long? (I include the imperial distances because they were dominant until the 1970's and Kenya as part of the British Commonwealth inherited imperial measures).
800 - nil
880 - nil
1000m - nil
1500 - nil
1 mile - nil
2k - nil
3k - Keino
3k - steeple - Jipcho/Rono
3 mile - nil
5k - Keino/Rono
6 mile - nil
10k - Kimobwa/Rono
Marathon - nil
So, in 15 years there were 4 Kenyan world record holders from the country who early feats have been trumpeted here.
By comparison, a nation with the fraction of Kenya's population also had 7 world record holders and 12 world records in the same span - but from 1961 to 1976. That was New Zealand.
But parlour game over - let's get back to the real issue which is Kenya's ascendancy in the ranks of dopers.
Do you mean like how you backed up your claims that it was "only 2", or "only 4", or "I found 6 now -- only 6 -- no way it is 10 -- third time's a charm"?
How many times have I asked you to back up your claims, only for you to say it doesn't interest you, or it's not for you to educate me? I'd say you back up 1% of your claims. Apparently you are not like most people either.
Most people would be able to find who set world records without have to ask others for proof. Gub found it in 1 minute. The '60s and '70s were your era -- you lived it!
Now everyone else knows that "slowwer" backed up the claim in January -- three times! He gave one of the names back in December 15th.
My claim was that you couldn't find it and would demand to be spoon fed, and blame it on others, demonstrating both incompetence and ignorance of track history. You checked every box collossally.
But now all of the claims are completely backed up -- every claim! The incompetence, ignorance, laziness, projection of blame, and telling you three months ago. No more excuses. It's all over but your apologies for your unjustified arrogance, and you learning lessons from this collossal demonstration of your failure to inform yourself of basic history.
As you are still too lazy, had you simply clicked on the link with the support you say I didn't provide, you would have found the missing names IN YOUR POST, proving all the claims. Here's what was one click away, IN YOUR POST from "3 months ago 01/07/2023 2:02am EST":
It is gobsmackingly unfathomable that despite your false confidence in your knowledge of track history, and your false arrogance, at first you couldn't even find Rono's 10000m world record (claiming many times "No records"). Eventually you found it, but still didn't find who he took the record from. Similar story with steeple.
And somehow unsurprisingly, you don't admit your mistakes and blame others for not being normal.
So finally you deign to say us who the record-holders were. Why so coy for so long? (I include the imperial distances because they were dominant until the 1970's and Kenya as part of the British Commonwealth inherited imperial measures).
800 - nil
880 - nil
1000m - nil
1500 - nil
1 mile - nil
2k - nil
3k - Keino
3k - steeple - Jipcho/Rono
3 mile - nil
5k - Keino/Rono
6 mile - nil
10k - Kimobwa/Rono
Marathon - nil
So, in 15 years there were 4 Kenyan world record holders from the country who early feats have been trumpeted here.
By comparison, a nation with the fraction of Kenya's population also had 7 world record holders and 12 world records in the same span - but from 1961 to 1976. That was New Zealand.
But parlour game over - let's get back to the real issue which is Kenya's ascendancy in the ranks of dopers.
What ever your point is while attempting to challenge a fact with another (for sure wrong) fact.
New Zealanders have set 8 WRs (2 of them in Olympic events) between 1961 and 1976, not 12. By 4 athletes, not 7. Just from memory, if I spot a mistake here, I post it.
So finally you deign to say us who the record-holders were. Why so coy for so long? (I include the imperial distances because they were dominant until the 1970's and Kenya as part of the British Commonwealth inherited imperial measures).
800 - nil
880 - nil
1000m - nil
1500 - nil
1 mile - nil
2k - nil
3k - Keino
3k - steeple - Jipcho/Rono
3 mile - nil
5k - Keino/Rono
6 mile - nil
10k - Kimobwa/Rono
Marathon - nil
So, in 15 years there were 4 Kenyan world record holders from the country who early feats have been trumpeted here.
By comparison, a nation with the fraction of Kenya's population also had 7 world record holders and 12 world records in the same span - but from 1961 to 1976. That was New Zealand.
But parlour game over - let's get back to the real issue which is Kenya's ascendancy in the ranks of dopers.
What ever your point is while attempting to challenge a fact with another (for sure wrong) fact.
New Zealanders have set 8 WRs (2 of them in Olympic events) between 1961 and 1976, not 12. By 4 athletes, not 7. Just from memory, if I spot a mistake here, I post it.
New Zealand has had good runners in this period.
NZ world records from 1961-76:
800m - Snell
880y - Snell
880y indoor - Snell
1000y indoor - Snell
1000m - Snell
1 mile - Snell (twice), Walker
2k - Walker.
4x1 mile - Snell, Halberg, Magee, Philpott
2 mile - Halberg
3 mile - Halberg
5k - Quax.
1 hour - Baillie
That's actually 14 world records from 7 runners over recognized distances.
There were also 5 Olympic golds (Halberg '60, Snell 3, and Walker), and 1 silver (Quax'76 5k)) and 2 bronze (Ryan '68 marathon, Dixon '72 1500m).
But no one here makes the claim that NZ was the "best" in the world - even if its top runners were the best in their era.
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And, no, the imperial distances were not dominant until the 1970s, which I have clearly showed already.
You aren't old enough to know this but the imperial distances dominated outside the Olympics and in Europe because the world leaders in track up until around 1970 mostly came from the UK, the US and Australasia, apart from the Finns in the late '20's (and a certain Russian in the '50's). The Empire/Commonwealth Games were the biggest event after the Olympics and were imperial till 1970.
And, no, the imperial distances were not dominant until the 1970s, which I have clearly showed already.
You aren't old enough to know this but the imperial distances dominated outside the Olympics and in Europe because the world leaders in track up until around 1970 mostly came from the UK, the US and Australasia, apart from the Finns in the late '20's (and a certain Russian in the '50's). The Empire/Commonwealth Games were the biggest event after the Olympics and were imperial till 1970.
No they didn't dominate outside of the Olympics.
Apart from the UK, all over Europe metric distances were run. Even at the Commonwealth Games for the last time in 66 imperial distances were run.
The last WRs in the 3 Miles and the 6 Miles which were not intermediate times, were set in 65.
Not old enough? I know that books and statistics are something unknown to you.
You aren't old enough to know this but the imperial distances dominated outside the Olympics and in Europe because the world leaders in track up until around 1970 mostly came from the UK, the US and Australasia, apart from the Finns in the late '20's (and a certain Russian in the '50's). The Empire/Commonwealth Games were the biggest event after the Olympics and were imperial till 1970.
No they didn't dominate outside of the Olympics.
Apart from the UK, all over Europe metric distances were run. Even at the Commonwealth Games for the last time in 66 imperial distances were run.
The last WRs in the 3 Miles and the 6 Miles which were not intermediate times, were set in 65.
Not old enough? I know that books and statistics are something unknown to you.
Europe wasn't dominant in the sport in those years (outside the Finns in the late twenties). As I explained, it was the English-speaking world that dominated distance-running through to the '60's. The imperial records set in the mid-sixties lasted because they were very good records - set by athletes like Ryun and Clarke (whose metric records weren't similarly not beaten until well into the seventies). But you need to have some experience of the sport in that era in order to recognize that. You don't. You are unable see beyond your very limited personal horizon.