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6 years ago 08/26/2019 9:15pm EDT

re: Ciro

Ciro wrote:
This is a shame wrote:
People get enraged whenever he speaks, but he never speaks the truth or carries through on anything. So people are enraged by a big troll and act as if what he says and does is reality instead of the ravings of a madman.
The stock market jumped today on Trump saying China wants a deal, but this is just the fool dribbling baloney out of his mouth. Too bad we just can’t impeach and remove this idiot.
Some people may get enraged, I certainly don’t. I’m mostly amazed at his supporters inability to see through it.
Somewhat related.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/shep-smith-fact-checks-trump-for-claiming-russia-was-barred-from-g8-because-putin-outsmarted-obama/ar-AAGmrS4?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout

Do you think the whole next meeting at his Miami Resort idea is to get the media and people talking about that and not his repeated humiliations at the G-7 conference or his economic blunders.

6 years ago 08/26/2019 9:22pm EDT

re: well....this

well....this wrote:
Calyope wrote:
She dreams of riding Trudeau like a stolen bike.
What makes this so striking is the fact that it is rare to see Melania smile. And she seems very pleased.

This was just a really bad past week for Trump. So much has happened and so much disrespect. The stupid lies he made his aides say to cover for his gaffes also made him look bad. Even his wife is piling on humiliation for him.

For all the Trumpsters who seem to think Trump's "winning" makes them winners this is a bad week for them too.

(At least Melania seems pretty happy)

6 years ago 08/26/2019 9:23pm EDT

re: Conundrum

6 years ago 08/26/2019 9:30pm EDT

re: Two Sides

Two Sides wrote:
Right now by not impeaching, Democrats are on record as saying Trump hasn’t done anything unlawful.

You are babbling. Leaving Trump in damages Repubs much much worse. It will be 2020 epic crushing of Trumpism.

6 years ago 08/26/2019 9:33pm EDT

re: kibitzer

kibitzer wrote:
Blame Game wrote:
My error. I suddenly realized that the Repub Senate would never bring up conviction of Trump for impeachment.
The Senate has nothing to do with impeachment.
"The House of Representatives ... shall have the sole Power of Impeachment."— Article I, Section 2, Clause 5
Come on. This is stuff everybody should have learned in high school (or earlier).

And you whiffed. Read the post you responded to, "Repub Senate would never bring up conviction". It said nothing about Senate and impeachment. It said Senate and conviction.

6 years ago 08/26/2019 10:02pm EDT

re: Reader of Posts

Reader of Posts wrote:
kibitzer wrote:
The Senate has nothing to do with impeachment.
"The House of Representatives ... shall have the sole Power of Impeachment."— Article I, Section 2, Clause 5
Come on. This is stuff everybody should have learned in high school (or earlier).
And you whiffed. Read the post you responded to, "Repub Senate would never bring up conviction". It said nothing about Senate and impeachment. It said Senate and conviction.

No, it said "conviction . . . for impeachment."

The Senate doesn't convict "for impeachment"--it convicts for removal.

6 years ago 08/26/2019 10:31pm EDT

re: Conundrum

Conundrum wrote:
Do you think the whole next meeting at his Miami Resort idea is to get the media and people talking about that and not his repeated humiliations at the G-7 conference or his economic blunders.

I'll guess there is no plan to hold the meetings in Miami and you're right that the boob was trying to come with something to divert attention from the fact that he just embarrassed himself and the US at the G7 meeting.

6 years ago 08/26/2019 11:25pm EDT

re: Ciro

Ciro wrote:
Let’s discuss the awkward elephant in the room.
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/body-language-expert-breaks-down-150000400.html
Trump loses again.

I hope he reads this analysis, pretty awesome

6 years ago 08/26/2019 11:28pm EDT

re: Sally Vix

Sally Vix wrote:
Two Sides wrote:
You were going somewhere then seemed to go way partisan yourself with the IRS comment.
What was the case of the IRS being used to destroy those of "the other party"?
Is the IRS part of one party itself?
I should have kept politics out of it, but the Lois Lerner-led IRS went after about 500 conservative groups and maybe a handful (if that many) liberal groups. So, yes, it was highly politicized in going after conservative groups. Lois refused to even testify before Congress. Why she is not in prison befuddles me.

Hi Gary - still butthurt about Obama “directly harming” you huh? Hahahahahahahaahahahaha

6 years ago 08/26/2019 11:31pm EDT

re: Sally Vix

Sally Vix wrote:
Calyope wrote:
You idiot racist wanker! The dumb@ss president you support makes anything any other administration has done, including Nixon's, pale in comparison and yet you still drop to your knees for Trump. This isn't a political difference. You are just a bad person. For your sake, I hope there isn't a hell.
Not sure why I would respond to a nutjob like you but I despise Trump as a person. So don't call me a Trumper.

You have a very “funny” way of expressing that

6 years ago 08/26/2019 11:45pm EDT

re: Conundrum

Conundrum wrote:
Two Sides wrote:
Do you think that will play well to swing voters - attacking people asking for justice?
Can’t Democrats game plan to shame Republicans for allowing Trump to run lawless unchecked?
That’s why there is value for impeachment right now.
Put everyone on record with regard to Trump’s behavior and let the voters decide where they side.
Right now by not impeaching, Democrats are on record as saying Trump hasn’t done anything unlawful.
I'm still deciding on this issue. Clinton was impeached and it was meaningless and his popularity grew. My main wish is for Trump to be out of office. At some point he does need to be accountable. Maybe the court system after he is out of office will be less of a partisan circus.

If his impeachment does not result in his removal from office (which it won’t) then say bye-bye to criminal prosecution. Hopefully this hold out by Dems and his loss next year will open the doors for a wave of criminal accusations - he will be totally exposed with no political buffer. I hope he sees the inside of a cell.

6 years ago 08/26/2019 11:48pm EDT

re: Republicans Lose Again

Republicans Lose Again wrote:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/26/us/marysville-michigan-city-council-racist-comments-drops-out-soh/index.html

According to a lot of trumpers here there is no issue with what she said and this is just another case of liberals throwing the word racist around recklessly

6 years ago 08/26/2019 11:50pm EDT

re: kibitzer

kibitzer wrote:
Reader of Posts wrote:
And you whiffed. Read the post you responded to, "Repub Senate would never bring up conviction". It said nothing about Senate and impeachment. It said Senate and conviction.
No, it said "conviction . . . for impeachment."
The Senate doesn't convict "for impeachment"--it convicts for removal.

^Sally is a fkn idiot - doesn’t matter which handle is used

6 years ago 08/27/2019 6:47am EDT

re: Well said

Well said wrote:
Ciro wrote:
Let’s discuss the awkward elephant in the room.
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/body-language-expert-breaks-down-150000400.html
Trump loses again.
I hope he reads this analysis, pretty awesome

That was quite a devastating and accurate analysis.

6 years ago 08/27/2019 7:09am EDT

re: Da truf

Da truf wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Not sure why I would respond to a nutjob like you but I despise Trump as a person. So don't call me a Trumper.
You have a very “funny” way of expressing that

Sally Vix is a conflicted soul. Vix has strong tribal affinity for the anti-liberal conservative view. That causes Vix to argue for Trump and to attack those against Trump. Vix will comb through and distort facts to support this view.

But somewhere deep in the Vix conscience, Vix knows that Trump is a slime-ball. This creates some dissonance in the Vix mind. So Vix will still fight for the Vix tribe, but that little part of goodness buried very deep in Vix, will not allow Vix to self identify as a Trumpster.

But in terms of behavior and communications Vix is a de facto Trumpster

6 years ago 08/27/2019 7:58am EDT

re: Trollminator

Trollminator wrote:
foo wrote:
Probably very soon. Your analysis is spot on. It may actually be too late to save his re-election chances. We could be headed to a recession regardless. Hopefully some prominent Republicans will start jumping off the Trumptanic soon.
Initially it could be argued trump had good intentions in trying to stir things up with a China and that it was low risk to play chicken with our economy. But no doubt after the back to back to back to back to back failure to make any progress plus his latest stunt of giving China a shopping list which clearly targeted industries which would help his re election chances, it’s crystal clear this joke of a leader has done nothing but disrupt the global markets and isn’t going to get anything in return. His strategy with NK was a disaster, his strategy with immigration has been a disaster, his strategy with global partners has been a disaster... not sure what additional proof we need that he simply isn’t cut out for any important decision making. Deal maker??? Hahahahaha. Kick him out

6 years ago 08/27/2019 7:59am EDT

re: BingBongChingChong

BingBongChingChong wrote:
Um, ever heard of the inverted yield curve? wrote:
Question for you all: How long until Trump completely caves to the Chinese on trade (probably lifts sanctions of Huawei, allows them to operate in the US, gets nothing substantial on forced technology transfers, nothing on copyright enforcement, nothing on currency manipulation but gets some token like they’ll buy more agricultural goods from us) simply to try and declare “victory” in the trade war and try and salvage his slim chances in 2020?
It’s clear Trump’s economic, tax, and trade policies are a total disaster (not surprising) but he is trying to stave off total economic collapse prior to the election in a bid to avoid prison by outlasting the statue of limitations for his many crimes. So, how long until hjs full capitulation to China? I think he’ll make “the best deal” by late September. What’d you all think?
The capitulation has already started....
https://www.apnews.com/36e35060a3b5456e9582abd56f85f71f
In addition to the USA having no real economic leverage with China, this is the other reason Trump is caving....
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-19/china-could-crush-some-u-s-military-assets-in-hours
Better start learning mandarin....

6 years ago 08/27/2019 8:14am EDT

re: Conundrum

Conundrum wrote:
Don’t tax....just spend. THE GOP Mantra wrote:
The major problem with the modern GOP is they claim to be fiscally conservative but are really very fiscally irresponsible. Politically they know that tax cuts play to their base. They also know that when their base screams for “spending cuts” what their base means is “cut everyone’s benefits but MINE”. Cutting Medicare and social security—which needs to happen right NOW and which needs to be applied to BOOMERS and CURRENT retirees—would be political suicide for the GOP despite all their rhetoric on spending. Thus, the major problem with GOP tax cuts is they NEVER “get to govt spending cuts” that they promise and they never will.
How dumb are people? Why do they forget so quickly? The modern GOP is NOT fiscally conservative. They have cut taxes before—several times in most of our lifetimes—and they NEVER get to cutting spending.
I suppose a tax cut would be fine IF they passed legislation slashing government spending FIRST. In other words, cut spending by X amount so they know how much less revenue they’ll be taking in and then give X amount back to tax payers. But that’s not what happens. We’ve seen this playbook before—recently.
The GOP controlled both houses of Congress AND had a GOP POTUS for 6 of the 8 Bush II years—this was not that long ago, the early 2000s. They passed a massive tax cut. What else did they do? Well they.... 1) said the tax cuts would “pay for themselves” by driving economic growth (aka magical thinking) 2) they simultaneously MASSIVELY INCREASED government spending!
What happened? We had a short term boom followed by a MASSIVE economic collapse AND a MASSIVE increase in the national debt. But since the economic collapse happened several years later dumb people with short attention spans that are obsessed with tax cuts who think that the minute tax legislation is passed the full effect of said tax legislation is felt—are and where mentally unable to connect the collapse to the very bad tax & spend policies of the GOP.
So, what is happening now? 1) the GOP is saying the same thing about “tax cuts paying for themselves” by driving economic growth 2) CEOs are smart and know that if they throw peons short term benefits (like a one time bonus rather than a permanent increase in worker salaries...which are peanuts to the CEOs and which do nothing to address the real issue of wage stagnation) that they can connect that to the tax cuts and say “see trickle down works! What’s good for corporations is good for individuals”...meanwhile those same corporations pocket > 90% of the benefit from the tax cut 3) the GOP is proposing MASSIVE increases in defense spending, infrastructure spending, and spending for a southern “boarder” wall with no plan to pay for any of it.
These tax cuts will have the same effect as prior cuts—a huge increase in the national debt and an eventual economic collapse that disproportionately effects individuals (who, yeah, got a short term increase in $) while corporations make out like bandits (their cuts are permanent). Plus, all the benefits (short term) will be attributed to the current admin, while the long term effects will be blamed on whomever is in office when the $hit hits the fan in several years.
Why do you tax obsess Morans not understand that at this point in our history the ONLY rational approach is an INCREASE in taxes coupled with a DECREASE in spending. We owe too much already to get tax cuts. Tax cuts are a bad idea, fiscally irresponsible, and morally reprehensible.
That was a good review of the history of irresponsible GOP spending and its effects on the economy. The statistic that shocked me was that our ratio of GNP to debt was the poorest since just after we fought World War II. If world interest rates ever increased we would be in an even more dire situation than we are in now. The percentage of our national budget that goes to interest payments on our debt is disheartening.
Although its expected that Trump is totally irresponsible, you bring up an excellent point with your question, "How dumb are people". We have become fiscally irresponsible as a nation and too many of us wanted to believe the con man and we gave him the keys to the country's vault. Not good.

Your posts got me thinking about recent political history in the USA. You know what I find fascinating—how quickly such a large majority of the GOP turned on George W. Bush. It’s nuts! I am not that old but I am old enough to have been on these very message boards for nearly 15 years. I recall thread after thread in the 2004-2006 range where the RWNJ on this site (people like Disco Gary, Iggy, Sally , rugged all using different handles of course, etc) just gushing about W and his policies. Now W is persona non grata.

Has such a quick change within a political party ever happened in the past? Is that how Dems felt about Jimmy Carter soon after he lost to Reagan? Clearly most Dems now agree that Bill Clinton is a POS but he even still has a lot of defenders.

The crazy thing is Trump’s policies—with maybe the exception of trade (a topic on which we can all agree Trump is a total disaster)—are exactly the same as Ws. Massively cut taxes but spend like a drunk sailor hopped up on meth.

I mean Trump is clearly more vulgar and overtly racist than W was—is that his main selling point to those who used to worship at the alter of W? I mean he (W) was really, really popular with the GOP—this is a fact there is no disputing that. How does that happen? Do GOP voters not realize they are basically voting for the exact same people / policies when they vote for Trump and disavow W?

Logical people with critical thinking skills who didn’t like the outcome of Ws policies would almost certainly come to the conclusion that Trump is just a gaudy, more ribald branding of W and not vote for someone forwarding such policies, right?

6 years ago 08/27/2019 8:17am EDT

re: Plus 1 Paul

Anyone else see the most recent episode of American Greed - Paul Manafort. Ugly, ugly side skewing of Trump

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2019/08/23/american-greed-the-first-5-minutes-of-the-paul-manafort-episode.html

6 years ago 08/27/2019 8:48am EDT

re: Conundrum

Conundrum wrote:
I'm still deciding on this issue. Clinton was impeached and it was meaningless and his popularity grew. My main wish is for Trump to be out of office. At some point he does need to be accountable. Maybe the court system after he is out of office will be less of a partisan circus.

I disagree that Clinton's popularity grew after he was impeached for covering up a sex act in the White House.

We know his VP Gore was not elected after Clinton even though Clinton left the US with a budget surplus and good economy.

We look back at the Clinton impeachment and say that he did not have crimes to the level of being removed from office.

History is going to look back at the Trump presidency and wonder why Trump wasn't impeached after the public was made aware of financial crimes and emoluments violations. And they will read that the Democrats took over the House in 2019 and did nothing.

The Republican Senate will be in the clear because they were given no case to try by the House.

People short-sighted by the upcoming election and can't see this perspective.

If the House impeaches, history will show that the Senate failed to follow up.

Trump's dirty laundry will air and people in the future are really going to wonder how this was all allowed to happen.

I'm not concerned about the 2020 election.

If Trump is re-elected I'd be stunned.

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