Dem collusion wrote:
Martha McCallum just got a big scoop.
Barr's coming. How high does he go?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgUjecJtcOY
Watched the first five minutes. Guy sounds like a nut case. Literally.
Barr is coming? (snicker, snicker)
Dem collusion wrote:
Martha McCallum just got a big scoop.
Barr's coming. How high does he go?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgUjecJtcOY
Watched the first five minutes. Guy sounds like a nut case. Literally.
Barr is coming? (snicker, snicker)
Trump Bro wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Very sorry about that Ciro. She didn't kill anyone. So, she gets another chance. Right?
Trump did not give his brother, Fred, a second chance. He got his Alzheimer suffering father to cut his brother out of the will. Because alcoholics are bad people.
Fred Trump Jr died in 1981. Fred Sr died in 1999. Back away from the bong, please.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Trump Bro wrote:
Trump did not give his brother, Fred, a second chance. He got his Alzheimer suffering father to cut his brother out of the will. Because alcoholics are bad people.
Fred Trump Jr died in 1981. Fred Sr died in 1999. Back away from the bong, please.
Fred Jr died in 1983, NOT1981.
https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/264579-report-trump-helped-draft-will-that-excluded-his-brothershttps://www.redstate.com/streiff/2016/07/22/shock.-donald-trump-brothers-children-cut-fathers-will-reneged-promised-support-paymentsRigged for Hillary wrote:
Fred Trump Jr died in 1981. Fred Sr died in 1999. Back away from the bong, please.
Donnie has edited his family history to make it seem that daddy Fred only suffered from severe Alzheimers the last 6 years of his life. But Alzheimers is a progressive disease that starts showing up years before the end, at least 20 years. So, any claims made by Trump can be ignored when the disease took hold. Just another Trump lie to claim he was competent to hold the presidency, which two-and-one-half years later he is showing to the entire world he is incompetent and that his Alzheimers is full force.
https://www.theimproper.com/142684/donald-trumps-family-history-alzheimers-campaign-issue/"I think Donald Trump has had a week in which he is proving that this isn’t 87-dimensional chess game, this isn’t some masterful strategy of communications or persuasion,” Wilson replied. “This is an old man who is sick and who has problems and who has mental disconnects and who has aphasias and who has moments where he doesn’t remember who and where he is.
"And where the things he says that he thinks sound self-aggrandizing instead just sound like he is absolutely — you know — nuts and absolutely on the edge of some sort of collapse that will be a shocker to people in our politics that the master negotiator, president big brain, all this stuff, you know, is not a stable genius, but is something quite the opposite."
From an interview today on "The Last Word" with Lawrence O’Donnell featuring author Rick Wilson.
The economy is likely to slow down next year but the real affects of it won't happen until after 2020.
Trump will still be able to cherry pick good numbers about the economy to campaign on.
Regardless, I doubt he will be re-elected because of continuous disapproval above 50% his entire presidency.
The next president will be stuck with a recession, largely from his trade war.
And the tools to dig out will be less effective because deficit spending is already very high and interest rates are low.
Trump is doing long term damage to the economy and not closing deals.
He gets decent ratings on his handling of the economy but honestly, that's one thing he seems real bad at.
Altzheimered wrote:
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Fred Trump Jr died in 1981. Fred Sr died in 1999. Back away from the bong, please.
Donnie has edited his family history to make it seem that daddy Fred only suffered from severe Alzheimers the last 6 years of his life. But Alzheimers is a progressive disease that starts showing up years before the end, at least 20 years. So, any claims made by Trump can be ignored when the disease took hold. Just another Trump lie to claim he was competent to hold the presidency, which two-and-one-half years later he is showing to the entire world he is incompetent and that his Alzheimers is full force.
https://www.theimproper.com/142684/donald-trumps-family-history-alzheimers-campaign-issue/
Donald Trump is an a$$hole, an idiot, a racist, incompetent, etc., but I do not see any evidence of Alzheimer's or any other form of dementia. Perhaps in private he displays signs, but his erratic behavior displayed publicly is just that of an unorganized, unprepared, stupid man with an incredibly short attention span. My wife's aunt has Alzheimer's, and there are two things to note about her that her caregivers have said is common:
1) She was seemingly fine one day, having only what most would consider slight memory lapses that are common for older people (she was over 80 when diagnosed), and then it's like she fell off a cliff...didn't remember that her mother died decades ago, didn't know what state she was in, etc.
2) Her behavior isn't erratic. She just doesn't remember anything accurately, especially things in the short term. She might tell the same story or ask the same question several times in a short period.
Donald Trump doesn't behave that way at all. Anyone who says he is exhibiting signs of dementia in any form is just trying to pin yet another bad thing onto him. There's enough bad about him without doing that.
Flagpole wrote:
Two Sides wrote:
So you are not glad for all of the field workers and kitchen workers that are productive but gave fake documents to work.
I am not for people who break the law, so to answer your question as simply as possible, NO, I am not glad that there are workers here illegally.
To expand:
1) We should make it harder for anyone to provide fake documents that actually get a person hired. There are companies that WANT illegal workers to provide very good fakes so that they can have plausible deniability, and there should not be the ability either for workers to dupe employers or employers to be able to deny they knowingly hired an illegal worker.
2) We need to SEVERELY PUNISH employers who knowingly hire illegal workers. Significant jail time and huge fines. Repeat offenders should have their businesses taken from them.
3) We need to SEVERELY PUNISH employers who pay workers less than minimum wage. Significant jail time and huge fines.
4) We need to have some sort of graduated grandfather clause in place that will allow people who have worked here, even illegally, for a long time to be able to apply for citizenship.
5) I am NOT for a skills test or a wealth test to have people come here. We should continue to be the benevolent nation we have been in the past. We should provide the quickest path to citizenship for people who are leaving their home country due to threats to their lives. We have laws in place to punish people who break our laws...they go to prison. Same should just happen to any American or anyone with legal standing in this country...break a law, go to prison.
How very Un-American of you.
"1) We should make it harder for anyone to provide fake documents that actually get a person hired. There are companies that WANT illegal workers to provide very good fakes so that they can have plausible deniability, and there should not be the ability either for workers to dupe employers or employers to be able to deny they knowingly hired an illegal worker.
4) We need to have some sort of graduated grandfather clause in place that will allow people who have worked here, even illegally, for a long time to be able to apply for citizenship."
The issue with these two points is that it does not allow for the many illegal workers that businesses rely on right now.
Maybe instead of making it harder for anyone to provide fake documents to work, make it easier for the same people to get legit and legal working papers.
That doesn't mean citizenship, it means changing their status and the hiring status from illegal to legal.
Like making consumption and regulated distribution of marijuana legal.
The conservative voter wants them out of the country but the conservative business owners need them in the country and all consumers like that they keep cost of products low.
Two Sides wrote:
"1) We should make it harder for anyone to provide fake documents that actually get a person hired. There are companies that WANT illegal workers to provide very good fakes so that they can have plausible deniability, and there should not be the ability either for workers to dupe employers or employers to be able to deny they knowingly hired an illegal worker.
4) We need to have some sort of graduated grandfather clause in place that will allow people who have worked here, even illegally, for a long time to be able to apply for citizenship."
The issue with these two points is that it does not allow for the many illegal workers that businesses rely on right now.
Maybe instead of making it harder for anyone to provide fake documents to work, make it easier for the same people to get legit and legal working papers.
That doesn't mean citizenship, it means changing their status and the hiring status from illegal to legal.
We need to do both. We need to make it harder to provide fake documents AND we need to make it possible for those who are already here to get legit working papers.
On top of that, we need to pay everyone a living wage.
Fat hurts wrote:
On top of that, we need to pay everyone a living wage.
That's kind of the rub because businesses can get away with paying undocumented workers below federal minimum wage.
Make them legal and they can't.
Even still, many of them do make OK money and do jobs most Americans won't do.
If the anti-immigrant crowd really succeeds, the economy would struggle.
Flagpole wrote:
Two Sides wrote:
So you are not glad for all of the field workers and kitchen workers that are productive but gave fake documents to work.
I am not for people who break the law, so to answer your question as simply as possible, NO, I am not glad that there are workers here illegally.
To expand:
1) We should make it harder for anyone to provide fake documents that actually get a person hired. There are companies that WANT illegal workers to provide very good fakes so that they can have plausible deniability, and there should not be the ability either for workers to dupe employers or employers to be able to deny they knowingly hired an illegal worker.
2) We need to SEVERELY PUNISH employers who knowingly hire illegal workers. Significant jail time and huge fines. Repeat offenders should have their businesses taken from them.
3) We need to SEVERELY PUNISH employers who pay workers less than minimum wage. Significant jail time and huge fines.
4) We need to have some sort of graduated grandfather clause in place that will allow people who have worked here, even illegally, for a long time to be able to apply for citizenship.
5) I am NOT for a skills test or a wealth test to have people come here. We should continue to be the benevolent nation we have been in the past. We should provide the quickest path to citizenship for people who are leaving their home country due to threats to their lives. We have laws in place to punish people who break our laws...they go to prison. Same should just happen to any American or anyone with legal standing in this country...break a law, go to prison.
It's quite apparent that you know nothing about economics.
econ101 wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
I am not for people who break the law, so to answer your question as simply as possible, NO, I am not glad that there are workers here illegally.
To expand:
1) We should make it harder for anyone to provide fake documents that actually get a person hired. There are companies that WANT illegal workers to provide very good fakes so that they can have plausible deniability, and there should not be the ability either for workers to dupe employers or employers to be able to deny they knowingly hired an illegal worker.
2) We need to SEVERELY PUNISH employers who knowingly hire illegal workers. Significant jail time and huge fines. Repeat offenders should have their businesses taken from them.
3) We need to SEVERELY PUNISH employers who pay workers less than minimum wage. Significant jail time and huge fines.
4) We need to have some sort of graduated grandfather clause in place that will allow people who have worked here, even illegally, for a long time to be able to apply for citizenship.
5) I am NOT for a skills test or a wealth test to have people come here. We should continue to be the benevolent nation we have been in the past. We should provide the quickest path to citizenship for people who are leaving their home country due to threats to their lives. We have laws in place to punish people who break our laws...they go to prison. Same should just happen to any American or anyone with legal standing in this country...break a law, go to prison.
It's quite apparent that you know nothing about economics.
INCORRECT!
econ101 wrote:
It's quite apparent that you know nothing about economics.
And it is obvious that you know even less.
Flagpole wrote:
econ101 wrote:
It's quite apparent that you know nothing about economics.
INCORRECT!
Please enlighten us as to what impact the points in your post would have on the economy?
Two Sides wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
On top of that, we need to pay everyone a living wage.
That's kind of the rub because businesses can get away with paying undocumented workers below federal minimum wage.
Make them legal and they can't.
Even still, many of them do make OK money and do jobs most Americans won't do.
If the anti-immigrant crowd really succeeds, the economy would struggle.
I always cringe when someone says that Americans won't do certain jobs. That's utter baloney.
Americans will do any job that pays a decent wage. From smelly, dirty jobs like sanitation to dangerous jobs like logging, Americans are willing and eager to work hard at whatever needs to be done.
When someone says, "Undocumented workers do the jobs that Americans won't do," what they really mean is, "Undocumented workers will accept third-world wages."
Fat hurts wrote:
When someone says, "Undocumented workers do the jobs that Americans won't do," what they really mean is, "Undocumented workers will accept third-world wages."
I'ts true that undocumented workers will accept lower wages but it's not true that these jobs are below minimum wage.
I read an article the other day about undocumented workers being more reliable at kitchen jobs while the Americans would quit after one day if they took the job at all.
It's not all third-world wages.
With low unemployment, people want good jobs and yes, there are some crappy jobs in high demand that are hard to be filled by American citizens who have better opportunities.
Our sons and daughters don't want to do landscaping and house cleaning 40 hours a week for a living, regardless if it's a decent wage. Not enough of them to fill the demand, anyway.
To summarize:
The demand for many types of minimum wage jobs is higher than the amount of American citizens available to fill them.
truly we have a moron in the white house. ordering companies what to do. trying to cut trade links to the second largest economy in the world. When's it going to be enough for you, republicans? when? even if she shoots someone he's ok with you, I know.
econ101 wrote:
Please enlighten us as to what impact the points in your post would have on the economy?
Ahem, no. You first. Prove your expertise. Otherwise, you are just a trolling ... a very weak troll.