Ghost of Igloi wrote:
And all it took was ..... my point yet another Russian propaganda link to zerohedge.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
And all it took was ..... my point yet another Russian propaganda link to zerohedge.
foo wrote:
Trump wants to end birthright citizenship:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-trump/trump-says-he-is-seriously-looking-at-ending-birthright-citizenship-idUSKCN1VB21BAmazing how conservatives get so uptight about their 2nd Amendment rights which nobody is even suggesting to take away, however when the ignorant nut job POTUS proposes bypassing the 14th Amendment with an executive order, there is silence.
This is exactly why Trump was elected. The 14th Amendment was never intended to grant birthright citizenship to illegal aliens. It has to end now.
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/zEUAAOSwX1Jcp-6~/s-l640.jpgM-A-G-A!!!
KAG2020
...and BTW where is his f-ing Nobel Prize while yer at it! Trump is the ultimate LRCer...more than $250K per year, smoking hot wife, and a sub-14 5K. Seriously he’s got all. I he’s a track training group as Paul Ryan.
Sally Vix wrote:
Interesting accounting wrote:
LOL! You really are gullible.
This is Bloomberg - a very liberal media group:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-12/trump-s-net-worth-rises-to-3-billion-despite-business-setbacks
The fact that you believe any information regarding the net worth of a master conniver shows your naivate.
TTH wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
This is Bloomberg - a very liberal media group:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-12/trump-s-net-worth-rises-to-3-billion-despite-business-setbacksThe fact that you believe any information regarding the net worth of a master conniver shows your naivate.
Sally is not just naive. Sally is stupid. So unbelievably stupid.
agip wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/mrz081419-color-1mb_orig_0.jpg?itok=-bwasbXktrump could tell you to your face 'i am a racist and white supremacist and you wouldn't care.
My wife has an uncle who once told me flat out that he doesn't like black people.
I still like the guy. He's old and he has issues. But he's very a kind person and he would never be mean to anyone, no matter what their race.
Life is full of contradictions.
The point is that you can love the crazy uncle, but you don't want him as president.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
This is exactly why Trump was elected. The 14th Amendment was never intended to grant birthright citizenship to illegal aliens. It has to end now.
It doesn't grant citizenship to illegal aliens. Children born here have done nothing illegal.
If they are born here then they belong as part of our nation. And that's exactly what the 14th Amendment was intended for.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/mrz081419-color-1mb_orig_0.jpg?itok=-bwasbXk
Yeah, no one listened because he acts in those ways so often it becomes background noise.
He started his campaign by calling Mexicans rapists after saying Obama was born in Africa (where s-hole countries are) and a tape came out of him bragging about harassing women.
Hides his taxes from the public while his lawyer goes down for finance fraud directed by him.
Can't emote condemnation of white supremacist assassins but gives fiery speeches about banning Muslims.
You cannot deny anything that I wrote there.
But sure, no one's listening.
No one is listening except the 72% of Americans trump hates.
agip wrote:
this is brilliant and exactly right. Trump is a racist and he thinks he is right to be a racist. He thinks terrible things of jews but because he is so twisted and sick, he thinks he is complimenting them.
'loyal to a differnet country? awesome! me too! Love you guys. Always renegotiating? Yes! Perfect! you guys are great. You think money can buy politicians? YES! Me too! Love the jews!
https://twitter.com/dandrezner/status/1164329979397775360?s=20
Nice a twitter link. Awesome.
Fat hurts wrote:
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
This is exactly why Trump was elected. The 14th Amendment was never intended to grant birthright citizenship to illegal aliens. It has to end now.
It doesn't grant citizenship to illegal aliens. Children born here have done nothing illegal.
If they are born here then they belong as part of our nation. And that's exactly what the 14th Amendment was intended for.
I've always found this debate to be interesting. The text of the amendment clearly says "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States"
The argument against birthright citizenship for children of illegal aliens is that they are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States (because they are citizens of their parents' home country). However, and I could be mistaken on this, the rights of the US constitution are widely agreed to apply to every person who is present in the United States, regardless of their country of citizenship. This is good news for visitors- they can't be locked up indefinitely on suspicion of committing a crime. So, this means that illegal aliens are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.
For what it's worth, I'd actually be in favor of eliminating blanket birthright citizenship for the reason that RFH mentioned earlier- it was clearly intended for ex-slaves and at the time that the amendment was written, illegal immigration was not really a thing. Borders were less defined/enforced, and travel was substantially more difficult. If a pregnant woman is connecting through the United States and gives birth at the airport during her layover, it doesn't really make sense to me that the child should be a US citizen.
“Buying Greenland was my idea,” says Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Arkansas), possibly the only politician flakier than donny.
Count Chocula wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
It doesn't grant citizenship to illegal aliens. Children born here have done nothing illegal.
If they are born here then they belong as part of our nation. And that's exactly what the 14th Amendment was intended for.
I've always found this debate to be interesting. The text of the amendment clearly says "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States"
The argument against birthright citizenship for children of illegal aliens is that they are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States (because they are citizens of their parents' home country). However, and I could be mistaken on this, the rights of the US constitution are widely agreed to apply to every person who is present in the United States, regardless of their country of citizenship. This is good news for visitors- they can't be locked up indefinitely on suspicion of committing a crime. So, this means that illegal aliens are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.
For what it's worth, I'd actually be in favor of eliminating blanket birthright citizenship for the reason that RFH mentioned earlier- it was clearly intended for ex-slaves and at the time that the amendment was written, illegal immigration was not really a thing. Borders were less defined/enforced, and travel was substantially more difficult. If a pregnant woman is connecting through the United States and gives birth at the airport during her layover, it doesn't really make sense to me that the child should be a US citizen.
I'm not a fan of birthright citizenship - it seems a relic of another time to solve a different set of problems - but to change it will will no doubt require a constitutional amendment. Not an executive order as Spanky claims.
Which will not happen in this atmosphere of a near complete lack of ability to work together.
Sally Vix wrote:
Tiny Eyes wrote:
Trump has what my Chinese wife calls "bling-bling eyes." Those are the dead giveaway eyes someone makes that make is obvious how much they want something. There is no need to negotiate a lower price with a "bling-bling eyes" person; they will overpay. And Trump has overpaid for property in the past because he gives away to the seller how much he wants it.
There have been many people who have underestimated Trump in the past. They don't understand that he took a small pittance from his dad and converted it into a multi-trillion worldwide empire. Trump properties span the globe. He has gotten the upper-hand on pretty much everyone on which he has negotiated with. Ask Hillary about the Donald. The was the overwhelming favorite to win the presidency. Where is she now? I would even not want to know the answer to that question. Trump is a genius businessman. He is Midas. Do NOT nogotiate with him because you WILL be burned.
How is trump’s a$$hole tasting these days bud?
Count Chocula wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
It doesn't grant citizenship to illegal aliens. Children born here have done nothing illegal.
If they are born here then they belong as part of our nation. And that's exactly what the 14th Amendment was intended for.
I've always found this debate to be interesting. The text of the amendment clearly says "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States"
The argument against birthright citizenship for children of illegal aliens is that they are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States (because they are citizens of their parents' home country). However, and I could be mistaken on this, the rights of the US constitution are widely agreed to apply to every person who is present in the United States, regardless of their country of citizenship. This is good news for visitors- they can't be locked up indefinitely on suspicion of committing a crime. So, this means that illegal aliens are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.
For what it's worth, I'd actually be in favor of eliminating blanket birthright citizenship for the reason that RFH mentioned earlier- it was clearly intended for ex-slaves and at the time that the amendment was written, illegal immigration was not really a thing. Borders were less defined/enforced, and travel was substantially more difficult. If a pregnant woman is connecting through the United States and gives birth at the airport during her layover, it doesn't really make sense to me that the child should be a US citizen.
This introduces a slippery slope. If you start adding caveats to citizenship then you're going to end up with so many exceptions and qualifications that it'll be impossible. You could also start to see cases of minorities (or anyone really) get denied US citizenship on vague technicalities that a judge would have to overrule on, and if you're poor then you probably can't afford a lawyer to argue on your behalf so you end up getting screwed.
You have to draw a line somewhere. It's like the difference between being 18 years old and being 17 years and 364 days (except you can be tried in court as an adult sometimes but just ignore that for now).
Count Chocula wrote:
The argument against birthright citizenship for children of illegal aliens is that they are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States (because they are citizens of their parents' home country). However, and I could be mistaken on this, the rights of the US constitution are widely agreed to apply to every person who is present in the United States, regardless of their country of citizenship. This is good news for visitors- they can't be locked up indefinitely on suspicion of committing a crime. So, this means that illegal aliens are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.
For what it's worth, I'd actually be in favor of eliminating blanket birthright citizenship for the reason that RFH mentioned earlier- it was clearly intended for ex-slaves and at the time that the amendment was written, illegal immigration was not really a thing. Borders were less defined/enforced, and travel was substantially more difficult. If a pregnant woman is connecting through the United States and gives birth at the airport during her layover, it doesn't really make sense to me that the child should be a US citizen.
Ahem, no. It was not clearly intended for ex-slaves because the clause does not state any specific limitation on the application of the law.
So, anyone, entering any county is subject to the laws of that country, and not the laws of the country they came from. Born in the USA = Born in the USA. It is as simple as that.
BTW: Business owners are in a panic. Construction is down because too few Americans want those types for jobs. The same is true for a lot to other industries. The USA needs workers, and they need a path for people to come here and take the jobs "real" Americans will not take. And, yes, let them be on the social safety net because losing their skills to stupid racism is a big hurt on American businesses.
A$$ sniffer detecter wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
There have been many people who have underestimated Trump in the past. They don't understand that he took a small pittance from his dad and converted it into a multi-trillion worldwide empire. Trump properties span the globe. He has gotten the upper-hand on pretty much everyone on which he has negotiated with. Ask Hillary about the Donald. The was the overwhelming favorite to win the presidency. Where is she now? I would even not want to know the answer to that question. Trump is a genius businessman. He is Midas. Do NOT nogotiate with him because you WILL be burned.
How is trump’s a$$hole tasting these days bud?
Smells like a decayed orange, flys, MAGAots and all.
Fundraising tee-shirts from the Republican Party are now showing Greenland as part of the US.
If they ever find out that Greenlanders are 88% Inuit or Inuit-mix and only 12% European, are used to single payer healthcare and free University – we can expect calls for a wall in the North Atlantic, paid for by Denmark.
One of the many sad parts of trump is that he is such a piss-poor human being that he doesn't understand things.
he genuinely doesn't understand why most of the country loathes him. He thinks it is perfectly normal to be racist and anti-semitic and like immigrants. He thinks everyone thinks like him...that obviously whites are better and preferable to other races. that jews aren't loyal to the US, that everyone hates immigrants. That all Af-Ams want are jobs. Etc.
So when he looks at the Dem controlled house and looks at every poll having him being destroyed by a Dem ham sandwich, and now even the senate seems in play - ALL BECAUSE AMERICA HATES DJT so much - he is flummoxed. He has no way to understand why he has been rejected. he doesnt' get it. That's why he is flipping out, railing against Obama and others.
He has no sense of empathy or sympathy or of the better angels of our nature. He legit thinks he is a great president
Racket wrote:
Count Chocula wrote:
I've always found this debate to be interesting. The text of the amendment clearly says "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States"
The argument against birthright citizenship for children of illegal aliens is that they are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States (because they are citizens of their parents' home country). However, and I could be mistaken on this, the rights of the US constitution are widely agreed to apply to every person who is present in the United States, regardless of their country of citizenship. This is good news for visitors- they can't be locked up indefinitely on suspicion of committing a crime. So, this means that illegal aliens are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.
For what it's worth, I'd actually be in favor of eliminating blanket birthright citizenship for the reason that RFH mentioned earlier- it was clearly intended for ex-slaves and at the time that the amendment was written, illegal immigration was not really a thing. Borders were less defined/enforced, and travel was substantially more difficult. If a pregnant woman is connecting through the United States and gives birth at the airport during her layover, it doesn't really make sense to me that the child should be a US citizen.
This introduces a slippery slope. If you start adding caveats to citizenship then you're going to end up with so many exceptions and qualifications that it'll be impossible. You could also start to see cases of minorities (or anyone really) get denied US citizenship on vague technicalities that a judge would have to overrule on, and if you're poor then you probably can't afford a lawyer to argue on your behalf so you end up getting screwed.
You have to draw a line somewhere. It's like the difference between being 18 years old and being 17 years and 364 days (except you can be tried in court as an adult sometimes but just ignore that for now).
I know some children of undocumented immigrants. This is the only country they have ever known. They work hard in school and also in part time jobs. They are polite and well-mannered.
They are as American as our own children.
They are American citizens.
And I am sure glad that they are here.
