Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

poo poo wrote:

agip wrote:

He doesn't trust the progressive wing of the party since it never, ever, ever wins major elections.

When was the last time someone in the progressive wing lost a major general election?

I can point to a number of moderate Democrats that lost.

2016, 2004, 2000 ...

Obama may not have been part of the progressive wing but Obamacare was one of the most progressive pieces of legislation passed in some time.

Also, FDR won four times in a row.

Made the New Deal.

Started Social Security

Pretty damn progressive wing

Lyndon Johnson implemented Medicare after being elected

I'd call Abe Lincoln a progressive, too

Ending slavery. That's progress.

agip wrote:

Monkeys typing wrote:

In one sentence you acknowledge the difficulty of passing judgement across cultures and immediately proceed to make an absolutist judgement.

Doesn't this beg the question of whether or not there is an absolute moral authority?

your argument seems to be that if something is 'difficult' then it is essentially impossible.

your argumetn is that if it is difficult to pass judgment on other cultures and cultural practices then we should never do it.

are you a quitter or what?

My argument is just the opposite of what you say. I state that its difficult but in the next clause I do it. I said certain cultures have bad beliefs and practices.

I stand by that.

The absolute moral authority question I would change to whether there are absolute moral positions applicable across different times and cultures. I think that there are a few.

Conundrum wrote:

agip wrote:

your argument seems to be that if something is 'difficult' then it is essentially impossible.

your argumetn is that if it is difficult to pass judgment on other cultures and cultural practices then we should never do it.

are you a quitter or what?

My argument is just the opposite of what you say. I state that its difficult but in the next clause I do it. I said certain cultures have bad beliefs and practices.

I stand by that.

The absolute moral authority question I would change to whether there are absolute moral positions applicable across different times and cultures. I think that there are a few.

One more thing, did you just ask me if I'm "a quitter or what"?

Really? I'm disappointed. I would not have expected that level of argument from you. From others yes, from you no.

Conundrum wrote:

Conundrum wrote:

My argument is just the opposite of what you say. I state that its difficult but in the next clause I do it. I said certain cultures have bad beliefs and practices.

I stand by that.

The absolute moral authority question I would change to whether there are absolute moral positions applicable across different times and cultures. I think that there are a few.

One more thing, did you just ask me if I'm "a quitter or what"?

Really? I'm disappointed. I would not have expected that level of argument from you. From others yes, from you no.

Conundrum comrade I was criticizing 'monkey's typing' not you. That poster seemed to be saying that what is hard is not possible. I could probably rustle up some criticism of you when I'm especially cranky but that's not today.

poo poo wrote:

poo poo wrote:

When was the last time someone in the progressive wing lost a major general election?

I can point to a number of moderate Democrats that lost.

2016, 2004, 2000 ...

Obama may not have been part of the progressive wing but Obamacare was one of the most progressive pieces of legislation passed in some time.

Also, FDR won four times in a row.

Made the New Deal.

Started Social Security

Pretty damn progressive wing

Lyndon Johnson implemented Medicare after being elected

I'd call Abe Lincoln a progressive, too

Ending slavery. That's progress.

FDR was a lifetime ago, literally

Johnson was half a lifetime ago, wasn't elected president the first time and no one quite knew he would be a progressive. he chose not to run for reelection because he was not liked.

Abe was literally 160 years ago.

The only dems who have won in recent times have been moderates. Carter, Clinton, Obama. The progressives can't even get through the primary for the most part.

If there are absolute and universal moral positions that you presumably could enumerate then where is the difficulty in passing judgement across cultures?

My point is that the difficulty arises because if the era's society/culture defines behavioral norms then passing judgement on an individual's behavior from the perspective of your own culture leaves open the question whether the observer is inappropriately applying their own bias.

If there are absolute moral positions universally applicable across different cultures then doesn't there need to be an arbiter?

agip wrote:

Conundrum wrote:

One more thing, did you just ask me if I'm "a quitter or what"?

Really? I'm disappointed. I would not have expected that level of argument from you. From others yes, from you no.

Conundrum comrade I was criticizing 'monkey's typing' not you. That poster seemed to be saying that what is hard is not possible. I could probably rustle up some criticism of you when I'm especially cranky but that's not today.

Good Lord, Conundrum! How stupid can you possibly be? You did not get that agip was addressing the monkey guy? You must be f'ing retarded.

Monkeys typing wrote:

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If there are absolute moral positions universally applicable across different cultures then doesn't there need to be an arbiter?

No. A most certainly does not imply B.

You may well ask how one can know what those "absolute moral positions universally applicable across different cultures" are. But their existence does not imply the existence of an arbiter.

"Well, Fox has always given me -- I'll tell you, Fox is a lot different than it used to be, I can tell you that. ... Fox has changed. And my worst polls have always been from Fox. There's something going on at Fox, I'll tell you right now. And I'm not happy with it."

"There's something going on at Fox."

~deer leider

I actually agree with much that you have to say. The observer from one culture judging another is biased and as you say leaves open the question of the validity of the judgment. That's why I say its difficult. But that doesn't mean that there are not positions across different cultures that are immoral. I did qualify there being a few, not many. Slavery is one that meets this criterion I believe.

Although there are a few moral positions applicable across different cultures, they exist whether or not we have an "arbiter" to explain them or not.

agip wrote:

Conundrum wrote:

One more thing, did you just ask me if I'm "a quitter or what"?

Really? I'm disappointed. I would not have expected that level of argument from you. From others yes, from you no.

Conundrum comrade I was criticizing 'monkey's typing' not you. That poster seemed to be saying that what is hard is not possible. I could probably rustle up some criticism of you when I'm especially cranky but that's not today.

My faith in humanity is restored. Sorry.

Rigged for Hillary wrote:

CNN poll: 2020 Democrats

Biden 29% (+7 since late June)

Sanders 15% (+1)

Warren 14% (-1)

Buttigieg 5% (+1)

Harris 5% (-12)

O’Rourke 3% (-)

Booker 2% (-1)

Castro 2% (+1)

Gabbard 2% (+1)

[everyone else 1% or less]

http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/08/19/rel9a.-.democrats.2020.pdf

The DNC fix is in for Biden (it’s his turn you know). Creepy Uncle Joe is too old and going senile. Bernie is an angry socialist and unelectable to the highest office. Pocahontas is too far left, too annoying and blatantly lied about her heritage. Trump will have a field day with her or any of these clowns on stage.

KAG2020

There were two other polls with similar results. But what you neglected to say is all 4 top democratic candidates beat trump in all three polls (even the trusted Fox News polls - although Trump sees a conspiracy here)

Harris is dropping like a rock.

Way to go guys. You ran Flagpole off the board.

Now who are we going to make fun of?

Hurumph wrote:

Way to go guys. You ran Flagpole off the board.

Now who are we going to make fun of?

Jamin and Hardloper, the two village idiots for make of the pro-Trump unregistered name posts. Hardloper has a little stiff one for Flaggy, as he gets off calling him.

Hurumph wrote:

Way to go guys. You ran Flagpole off the board.

Now who are we going to make fun of?

So, I haven't posted since sometime yesterday and you think that means I've been run off the board?

Umm...NOPE!

I will post, as always, either when there's something interesting going on or when someone needs to hear some truth. You needed some truth just now.

Nothing terribly interesting going on with respect to the topic of this thread.

Trump continues to fall in the polls.

Trump continues to prove that he is unhinged.

The House continues its impeachment investigation.

Those supporting Trump continue to ONLY be JUST stupid or racist.

So, ho-hum for now.

"Denmark is a very special country with incredible people, but based on Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen’s comments, that she would have no interest in discussing the purchase of Greenland, I will be postponing our meeting scheduled in two weeks for another time...." - Donald Trump

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The above was actually posted by the President of the United States. This is not a joke. This actually happened.

Lord have mercy on all of our souls!

1100 wrote:

"Denmark is a very special country with incredible people, but based on Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen’s comments, that she would have no interest in discussing the purchase of Greenland, I will be postponing our meeting scheduled in two weeks for another time...." - Donald Trump

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The above was actually posted by the President of the United States. This is not a joke. This actually happened.

Lord have mercy on all of our souls!

He’s a big girls blouse.

An embarrassing excuse for a “man”

1100 wrote:

"Denmark is a very special country with incredible people, but based on Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen’s comments, that she would have no interest in discussing the purchase of Greenland, I will be postponing our meeting scheduled in two weeks for another time...." - Donald Trump

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The above was actually posted by the President of the United States. This is not a joke. This actually happened.

Lord have mercy on all of our souls!

The Denmark PM said the idea of selling Greenland was absurd and Trump took that as an insult. I guess he had expected her to say something like they would be willing to review any offers.

The idea is absurd; he described it as being a big real estate deal, but it's not. There are no comparable country sales to compare Greenland to and it's not possible to calculate a present value of future cash flows.

The possible value would be comprised of three unknowns: The amount of valuable minerals, the effects of global warming and the costs of extraction. It's guaranteed that if a sale occured one of parties would get ripped off in a big way over the long-term.

Let’s take a step back here. The fact that POTUS was suggesting a transaction that hadn’t been even up for discussion and then cancelling a state visit in retaliation for a very reasonable response is what should be setting off alarm bells. As responses from across Denmark suggest, Trump is the biggest dunce to ever set foot in the WH. How are you just going to pretend another country’s territory is up for discussion and then get upset when you get called out? This guy really lives in a different bubble altogether. You have to be pretty lost to still support this buffoon.