Hey, aren't you the guy who said you were "anused"? Aren't you the moron who tries to show off with French expressions but can't write in French? Sure, make fun of others while you are the dumbest poster here.
You think before Copenhagen he thought to be better at the HM than at 1500m and/or 5000m?
He thought so. This is what he has said, as reported by Jonathan Gault.
'Earlier this year in a profile in The Times, Jakob said, “I am a half-marathon man. That’s where I am best. I get a bit worse the further I do down in distance. At 10k I’m a bit worse, and at 5k I’m a bit worse again, and then the same for the 1,500m".'
BTW, he didn't qualify that claim by saying he needed to train for the distance. The only way for that claim to be credible is that he could demonstrate it. As he showed in Copenhagen - he can't.
No, he didn't. His training for middle distance might be more the one of a long distance runner, but still he isn't trained for the HM and there is no way he thought to be currently better in the HM than in the 1500m and/or 5000m.
And before you come with the same nonsense again for the umpteenth time:
- I'm not a fan of him at all
- most likely did he expect to perform better in Copenhagen
- I don't think he will come close to the HM WR during his career and I'm also very sceptical for the 10000m. For the 5000m for sure his chances are very good, but we have to wait
This is what he said before the race: "after a long season on the track working towards the 1500m, it's exciting to see if I even can reach the finish line."
63:13 is not a bad debut under the circumstances. Setting a national record is just the whipped cream and cherry on top.
I'm sure he was thinking about whipped cream and cherries when he was unable to run before the halfway mark. 63 minutes is about 6 minutes slower than most expected. Him, too, probably, since he thought he could go with the leaders. It is, after all, his "best distance".
You are delusional if you think "most expected" him to run 57 minutes in Copenhagen just 2 days after the DL final, and 1 month after the Olympics.
Unlikely that he expected it too, considering he said "after a long season on the track working towards the 1500m, it's exciting to see if I even can reach the finish line."
I'm sure he was thinking about whipped cream and cherries when he was unable to run before the halfway mark. 63 minutes is about 6 minutes slower than most expected. Him, too, probably, since he thought he could go with the leaders. It is, after all, his "best distance".
You are delusional if you think "most expected" him to run 57 minutes in Copenhagen just 2 days after the DL final, and 1 month after the Olympics.
Unlikely that he expected it too, considering he said "after a long season on the track working towards the 1500m, it's exciting to see if I even can reach the finish line."
Stop it! Don't torture Bumstrong with facts! He hates facts!
But we all thought he was running a HM, not a 10k race. Only you understood it was a 10k event for Jakob. Where is the thread that says "Jakob to run 10k race" (that no one else was racing)?
I understood what happened when I watched the race.
Jakob knew he took a chance, because racing again 36 hours after another all out race is demanding. So he knew he needed an excuse / explanation in case of blowing up / being leggy. But I don’t think he imagined at all how bad it would turn out, because 63.13 is really really bad for a WR pretender..!
In 2023 Jakob lost, IMO, about 2 sec in the 3000m (in Eugene) by running it only 24 hours after his all out mile. So yes, I think 36 hours also could give him a time lose (he also had to do a plane flight from Brussels to Copenhagen), but less than half a minute in the HM with the Eugene races as a reference, in my speculation…
But, contrary to you, and a bulk of other posters, I interpret Jakob’s claims of being a top 10k / half marathon potential runner a current thing; he keeps repeating that his current training is best suited for 10k/half marathon. And we don’t even know if he thinks he has to do any adjustments, f.x long training runs (longer than 20k -the marathoner Grete Waitz, f.x, didn’t normally do long runs) -although who knows what he thinks after crashing in his worst nightmare ever, in Copenhagen…
Yes, it was better than nothing to break a weak Norwegian 10k record, after being paced all the way. But of course he also suffered a huge prestige blow. But worst of all he sort of took away the hope from some of his fans of being a good distance guy, even in the 5000m.
For now, IMO, all the indications are that Jakob is a 3000m sweet spot guy who gets significantly worse the longer the distance. And that also means that he isn’t among the very best current 5000m runners, and that he will struggle to break 27 and 60 min and 2.10. But I see one hope: These indications are somewhat weak, and each of them might be explained away as a factor of special circumstances. But the problem is that they all point in the same direction (“no relative talent” in the distance events), and that there are no indications whatsoever of a “talent” for a really fast 5/10k or half/full marathon…
So here is my mentioning/analysis of the indications: 1. Jakob says running a 5000m is much harder / painful for him than the shorter distances. 2. In u20 WC he, despite fighting for the gold in the home straight, “had to” give a significantly gap to the leaders mid race despite running above 13.20 pace. He also gave a gap in WC 2019 and his 12.48 win in 2021 -does he struggle with the pace..?
3. In 2019 Jakob was crushed by 11 u20 athletes in WC xc -8km, despite being one of the world’s top 1500 and 5000m runners. He also ran a slow 10k roads (27.53) despite good pacing from Filip.
4. In his best Euros xc 10k in 2022 (reported being in “monster form” by his team) he beat a 27.37 guy with a few seconds, and not with one minute+ which Kiplimo clearly would have done.
5. All his 5000m champ wins are “weak” -as a 1500m runner he really benefits from the slow champs pace, and ditto as a hot weather freak. It’s a sign that the silver medalist behind Jakob in 2024 OG 5000m hasn’t broken 13. A WR 5000m pace with the bests in peak form in normal temperatures is of course a totally different contest…
6. The weak performance in Copenhagen -both in the regard of a drafted 10k and a slow Hm.
I can't help what you and a "bulk of other posters" interpret.
I don't think anyone should read too much into what he did or didn't do in Copenhagen. It was a "first test" "after a long season on the track working towards the 1500m". However, I can generally agree with these predictions: "he will struggle to break 27 and 60 min and 2.10".
I don't understand why planning a season to peak for the 1500m/5000m in the Olympics and Diamond League somehow means nothing to some of you. We've known since the days of Lydiard how to peak for important events at the right time, and peaking for the half-marathon simply doesn't fit at the end of a season that is focused on 1500m/5000m.
BTW, he didn't qualify that claim by saying he needed to train for the distance.
No. But intelligent people could understand that was implied. Obviously you couldn't.
He didn't imply it. So, similarly, he didn't imply he could become a professional tennis player IF he trained for it. He was simply saying the longer the distance the better he gets, and so the HM is his "best distance". It is BS.
I'm sure he was thinking about whipped cream and cherries when he was unable to run before the halfway mark. 63 minutes is about 6 minutes slower than most expected. Him, too, probably, since he thought he could go with the leaders. It is, after all, his "best distance".
You are delusional if you think "most expected" him to run 57 minutes in Copenhagen just 2 days after the DL final, and 1 month after the Olympics.
Unlikely that he expected it too, considering he said "after a long season on the track working towards the 1500m, it's exciting to see if I even can reach the finish line."
I don't think anyone expected 63 minutes, with a walk, and finishing 34th. For his "best distance".
But we all thought he was running a HM, not a 10k race. Only you understood it was a 10k event for Jakob. Where is the thread that says "Jakob to run 10k race" (that no one else was racing)?
I understood what happened when I watched the race.
You are delusional if you think "most expected" him to run 57 minutes in Copenhagen just 2 days after the DL final, and 1 month after the Olympics.
Unlikely that he expected it too, considering he said "after a long season on the track working towards the 1500m, it's exciting to see if I even can reach the finish line."
I don't think anyone expected 63 minutes, with a walk, and finishing 34th. For his "best distance".
That is far better than his own stated expectation that he might not even finish.
You said "most expected" him to run 57 minutes. Do you still stand behind your claim, or will you abandon it like you abandon so many other claims when called out and debunked, and just change the subject?
You are delusional if you think "most expected" him to run 57 minutes in Copenhagen just 2 days after the DL final, and 1 month after the Olympics.
Unlikely that he expected it too, considering he said "after a long season on the track working towards the 1500m, it's exciting to see if I even can reach the finish line."
I don't think anyone expected 63 minutes, with a walk, and finishing 34th. For his "best distance".
That is far better than his own stated expectation that he might not even finish.
You said "most expected" him to run 57 minutes. Do you still stand behind your claim, or will you abandon it like you abandon so many other claims when called out and debunked, and just change the subject?
BS again. Most expected him to be competitive if not threaten the wr. He has fostered that expectation with his claim that it is his "best distance" - and he does have world records in shorter distances, so it wasn't an unreasonable expectation, if he could be taken at his word. But since you always argue fallacious drivel about doping you don't get this either.
That is far better than his own stated expectation that he might not even finish.
You said "most expected" him to run 57 minutes. Do you still stand behind your claim, or will you abandon it like you abandon so many other claims when called out and debunked, and just change the subject?
BS again. Most expected him to be competitive if not threaten the wr. He has fostered that expectation with his claim that it is his "best distance" - and he does have world records in shorter distances, so it wasn't an unreasonable expectation, if he could be taken at his word. But since you always argue fallacious drivel about doping you don't get this either.
In other words, you do not stand behind your previous claim, yet again, and prefer to backpedal, while still ignoring Jakob's own stated expectations for this race.
BS again. Most expected him to be competitive if not threaten the wr. He has fostered that expectation with his claim that it is his "best distance" - and he does have world records in shorter distances, so it wasn't an unreasonable expectation, if he could be taken at his word. But since you always argue fallacious drivel about doping you don't get this either.
In other words, you do not stand behind your previous claim, yet again, and prefer to backpedal, while still ignoring Jakob's own stated expectations for this race.
You can't follow any argument so you can't follow mine. I haven't changed anything but with your psychological issues I don't expect you to understand that. When he stated, as he has, that the HM is his "best distance" no one who accepts that actually thinks he will be lucky to simply finish the race (although he later showed that might not have been an unreasonable concern). Would he have trouble finishing a 10k, 5k, 1500 - all of which he has said are his weaker distances? You might be the only person on these boards who seriously thought he might not be able to finish the race, because of a likely facetious remark he made, but in your stupid cherry-picking of his comments you ignored his earlier bragging about the HM as his "best distance".
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You can't follow any argument so you can't follow mine. I haven't changed anything but with your psychological issues I don't expect you to understand that. When he stated, as he has, that the HM is his "best distance" no one who accepts that actually thinks he will be lucky to simply finish the race (although he later showed that might not have been an unreasonable concern). Would he have trouble finishing a 10k, 5k, 1500 - all of which he has said are his weaker distances? You might be the only person on these boards who seriously thought he might not be able to finish the race, because of a likely facetious remark he made, but in your stupid cherry-picking of his comments you ignored his earlier bragging about the HM as his "best distance".
So you confirm you still think "most expected" him to run 57 minutes.
I can follow Jakob's argument: "after a long season on the track working towards the 1500m, it's exciting to see if I even can reach the finish line."
He surpassed that expectation, exciting many, including himself, by finishing, and adding a national 10K road race record to his palmares.
It will be exciting to see what he can achieve when he is fresh and peaked for the half-marathon.
It shows that your judgment about what he's capable of isn't grounded in reality which means what you're predicting about his potential in the 5k is irrelevant.
He's facing the fastest 5k field the sport has seen and yet he's unbeaten in finals while looking like he's jogging.
And how close was he to 12:35 in any of those races?
Closer than all the other runners he faced in the finals who are ahead of him on the all time top list.
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