7:17.55! Jakob Ingebrigtsen DESTROYS 3000m WR

justanothercuriousdude wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

This is what he said before the race: "after a long season on the track working towards the 1500m, it's exciting to see if I even can reach the finish line."

63:13 is not a bad debut under the circumstances. Setting a national record is just the whipped cream and cherry on top.

Jakob knew he took a chance, because racing again 36 hours after another all out race is demanding. So he knew he needed an excuse / explanation in case of blowing up / being leggy. But I don’t think he imagined at all how bad it would turn out, because 63.13 is really really bad for a WR pretender..!

In 2023 Jakob lost, IMO, about 2 sec in the 3000m (in Eugene) by running it only 24 hours after his all out mile. So yes, I think 36 hours also could give him a time lose (he also had to do a plane flight from Brussels to Copenhagen), but less than half a minute in the HM with the Eugene races as a reference, in my speculation…

But, contrary to you, and a bulk of other posters, I interpret Jakob’s claims of being a top 10k / half marathon potential runner a current thing; he keeps repeating that his current training is best suited for 10k/half marathon. And we don’t even know if he thinks he has to do any adjustments, f.x long training runs (longer than 20k -the marathoner Grete Waitz, f.x, didn’t normally do long runs) -although who knows what he thinks after crashing in his worst nightmare ever, in Copenhagen…

Yes, it was better than nothing to break a weak Norwegian 10k record, after being paced all the way. But of course he also suffered a huge prestige blow. But worst of all he sort of took away the hope from some of his fans of being a good distance guy, even in the 5000m.

For now, IMO, all the indications are that Jakob is a 3000m sweet spot guy who gets significantly worse the longer the distance. And that also means that he isn’t among the very best current 5000m runners, and that he will struggle to break 27 and 60 min and 2.10. But I see one hope: These indications are somewhat weak, and each of them might be explained away as a factor of special circumstances. But the problem is that they all point in the same direction (“no relative talent” in the distance events), and that there are no indications whatsoever of a “talent” for a really fast 5/10k or half/full marathon…

So here is my mentioning/analysis of the indications: 1. Jakob says running a 5000m is much harder / painful for him than the shorter distances. 2. In u20 WC he, despite fighting for the gold in the home straight, “had to” give a significantly gap to the leaders mid race despite running above 13.20 pace. He also gave a gap in WC 2019 and his 12.48 win in 2021 -does he struggle with the pace..?

3. In 2019 Jakob was crushed by 11 u20 athletes in WC xc -8km, despite being one of the world’s top 1500 and 5000m runners. He also ran a slow 10k roads (27.53) despite good pacing from Filip.

4. In his best Euros xc 10k in 2022 (reported being in “monster form” by his team) he beat a 27.37 guy with a few seconds, and not with one minute+ which Kiplimo clearly would have done.

5. All his 5000m champ wins are “weak” -as a 1500m runner he really benefits from the slow champs pace, and ditto as a hot weather freak. It’s a sign that the silver medalist behind Jakob in 2024 OG 5000m hasn’t broken 13. A WR 5000m pace with the bests in peak form in normal temperatures is of course a totally different contest…

6. The weak performance in Copenhagen -both in the regard of a drafted 10k and a slow Hm.

Koltrast wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

I haven't been proven wrong "again and again". He broke the 3k record, which most thought was unbreakable, set as it was over a quarter of a century ago in the EPO era. It simply confirms for me that Ingebrigtsen is doped to the gills.

But breaking a record that is only a little over half the distance of the 5k does not mean he must break the 5k record. So far he hasn't - or even got near it. So I haven't been proven wrong about that. The only thing you prove is that you are a pompous opinionated bore.

It shows that your judgment about what he's capable of isn't grounded in reality which means what you're predicting about his potential in the 5k is irrelevant.

He's facing the fastest 5k field the sport has seen and yet he's unbeaten in finals while looking like he's jogging.

justanothercuriousdude wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

This is what he said before the race: "after a long season on the track working towards the 1500m, it's exciting to see if I even can reach the finish line."

63:13 is not a bad debut under the circumstances. Setting a national record is just the whipped cream and cherry on top.

Jakob knew he took a chance, because racing again 36 hours after another all out race is demanding. So he knew he needed an excuse / explanation in case of blowing up / being leggy. But I don’t think he imagined at all how bad it would turn out, because 63.13 is really really bad for a WR pretender..!

In 2023 Jakob lost, IMO, about 2 sec in the 3000m (in Eugene) by running it only 24 hours after his all out mile. So yes, I think 36 hours also could give him a time lose (he also had to do a plane flight from Brussels to Copenhagen), but less than half a minute in the HM with the Eugene races as a reference, in my speculation…

But, contrary to you, and a bulk of other posters, I interpret Jakob’s claims of being a top 10k / half marathon potential runner a current thing; he keeps repeating that his current training is best suited for 10k/half marathon. And we don’t even know if he thinks he has to do any adjustments, f.x long training runs (longer than 20k -the marathoner Grete Waitz, f.x, didn’t normally do long runs) -although who knows what he thinks after crashing in his worst nightmare ever, in Copenhagen…

Yes, it was better than nothing to break a weak Norwegian 10k record, after being paced all the way. But of course he also suffered a huge prestige blow. But worst of all he sort of took away the hope from some of his fans of being a good distance guy, even in the 5000m.

For now, IMO, all the indications are that Jakob is a 3000m sweet spot guy who gets significantly worse the longer the distance. And that also means that he isn’t among the very best current 5000m runners, and that he will struggle to break 27 and 60 min and 2.10. But I see one hope: These indications are somewhat weak, and each of them might be explained away as a factor of special circumstances. But the problem is that they all point in the same direction (“no relative talent” in the distance events), and that there are no indications whatsoever of a “talent” for a really fast 5/10k or half/full marathon…

So here is my mentioning/analysis of the indications: 1. Jakob says running a 5000m is much harder / painful for him than the shorter distances. 2. In u20 WC he, despite fighting for the gold in the home straight, “had to” give a significantly gap to the leaders mid race despite running above 13.20 pace. He also gave a gap in WC 2019 and his 12.48 win in 2021 -does he struggle with the pace..?

3. In 2019 Jakob was crushed by 11 u20 athletes in WC xc -8km, despite being one of the world’s top 1500 and 5000m runners. He also ran a slow 10k roads (27.53) despite good pacing from Filip.

4. In his best Euros xc 10k in 2022 (reported being in “monster form” by his team) he beat a 27.37 guy with a few seconds, and not with one minute+ which Kiplimo clearly would have done.

5. All his 5000m champ wins are “weak” -as a 1500m runner he really benefits from the slow champs pace, and ditto as a hot weather freak. It’s a sign that the silver medalist behind Jakob in 2024 OG 5000m hasn’t broken 13. A WR 5000m pace with the bests in peak form in normal temperatures is of course a totally different contest…

6. The weak performance in Copenhagen -both in the regard of a drafted 10k and a slow Hm.

alwaaays wrote:

justanothercuriousdude wrote:

Jakob knew he took a chance, because racing again 36 hours after another all out race is demanding. So he knew he needed an excuse / explanation in case of blowing up / being leggy. But I don’t think he imagined at all how bad it would turn out, because 63.13 is really really bad for a WR pretender..!

In 2023 Jakob lost, IMO, about 2 sec in the 3000m (in Eugene) by running it only 24 hours after his all out mile. So yes, I think 36 hours also could give him a time lose (he also had to do a plane flight from Brussels to Copenhagen), but less than half a minute in the HM with the Eugene races as a reference, in my speculation…

But, contrary to you, and a bulk of other posters, I interpret Jakob’s claims of being a top 10k / half marathon potential runner a current thing; he keeps repeating that his current training is best suited for 10k/half marathon. And we don’t even know if he thinks he has to do any adjustments, f.x long training runs (longer than 20k -the marathoner Grete Waitz, f.x, didn’t normally do long runs) -although who knows what he thinks after crashing in his worst nightmare ever, in Copenhagen…

Yes, it was better than nothing to break a weak Norwegian 10k record, after being paced all the way. But of course he also suffered a huge prestige blow. But worst of all he sort of took away the hope from some of his fans of being a good distance guy, even in the 5000m.

For now, IMO, all the indications are that Jakob is a 3000m sweet spot guy who gets significantly worse the longer the distance. And that also means that he isn’t among the very best current 5000m runners, and that he will struggle to break 27 and 60 min and 2.10. But I see one hope: These indications are somewhat weak, and each of them might be explained away as a factor of special circumstances. But the problem is that they all point in the same direction (“no relative talent” in the distance events), and that there are no indications whatsoever of a “talent” for a really fast 5/10k or half/full marathon…

So here is my mentioning/analysis of the indications: 1. Jakob says running a 5000m is much harder / painful for him than the shorter distances. 2. In u20 WC he, despite fighting for the gold in the home straight, “had to” give a significantly gap to the leaders mid race despite running above 13.20 pace. He also gave a gap in WC 2019 and his 12.48 win in 2021 -does he struggle with the pace..?

3. In 2019 Jakob was crushed by 11 u20 athletes in WC xc -8km, despite being one of the world’s top 1500 and 5000m runners. He also ran a slow 10k roads (27.53) despite good pacing from Filip.

4. In his best Euros xc 10k in 2022 (reported being in “monster form” by his team) he beat a 27.37 guy with a few seconds, and not with one minute+ which Kiplimo clearly would have done.

5. All his 5000m champ wins are “weak” -as a 1500m runner he really benefits from the slow champs pace, and ditto as a hot weather freak. It’s a sign that the silver medalist behind Jakob in 2024 OG 5000m hasn’t broken 13. A WR 5000m pace with the bests in peak form in normal temperatures is of course a totally different contest…

6. The weak performance in Copenhagen -both in the regard of a drafted 10k and a slow Hm.

You think before Copenhagen he thought to be better at the HM than at 1500m and/or 5000m?

alwaaays wrote:

justanothercuriousdude wrote:

Jakob knew he took a chance, because racing again 36 hours after another all out race is demanding. So he knew he needed an excuse / explanation in case of blowing up / being leggy. But I don’t think he imagined at all how bad it would turn out, because 63.13 is really really bad for a WR pretender..!

In 2023 Jakob lost, IMO, about 2 sec in the 3000m (in Eugene) by running it only 24 hours after his all out mile. So yes, I think 36 hours also could give him a time lose (he also had to do a plane flight from Brussels to Copenhagen), but less than half a minute in the HM with the Eugene races as a reference, in my speculation…

But, contrary to you, and a bulk of other posters, I interpret Jakob’s claims of being a top 10k / half marathon potential runner a current thing; he keeps repeating that his current training is best suited for 10k/half marathon. And we don’t even know if he thinks he has to do any adjustments, f.x long training runs (longer than 20k -the marathoner Grete Waitz, f.x, didn’t normally do long runs) -although who knows what he thinks after crashing in his worst nightmare ever, in Copenhagen…

Yes, it was better than nothing to break a weak Norwegian 10k record, after being paced all the way. But of course he also suffered a huge prestige blow. But worst of all he sort of took away the hope from some of his fans of being a good distance guy, even in the 5000m.

For now, IMO, all the indications are that Jakob is a 3000m sweet spot guy who gets significantly worse the longer the distance. And that also means that he isn’t among the very best current 5000m runners, and that he will struggle to break 27 and 60 min and 2.10. But I see one hope: These indications are somewhat weak, and each of them might be explained away as a factor of special circumstances. But the problem is that they all point in the same direction (“no relative talent” in the distance events), and that there are no indications whatsoever of a “talent” for a really fast 5/10k or half/full marathon…

So here is my mentioning/analysis of the indications: 1. Jakob says running a 5000m is much harder / painful for him than the shorter distances. 2. In u20 WC he, despite fighting for the gold in the home straight, “had to” give a significantly gap to the leaders mid race despite running above 13.20 pace. He also gave a gap in WC 2019 and his 12.48 win in 2021 -does he struggle with the pace..?

3. In 2019 Jakob was crushed by 11 u20 athletes in WC xc -8km, despite being one of the world’s top 1500 and 5000m runners. He also ran a slow 10k roads (27.53) despite good pacing from Filip.

4. In his best Euros xc 10k in 2022 (reported being in “monster form” by his team) he beat a 27.37 guy with a few seconds, and not with one minute+ which Kiplimo clearly would have done.

5. All his 5000m champ wins are “weak” -as a 1500m runner he really benefits from the slow champs pace, and ditto as a hot weather freak. It’s a sign that the silver medalist behind Jakob in 2024 OG 5000m hasn’t broken 13. A WR 5000m pace with the bests in peak form in normal temperatures is of course a totally different contest…

6. The weak performance in Copenhagen -both in the regard of a drafted 10k and a slow Hm.

You think before Copenhagen he thought to be better at the HM than at 1500m and/or 5000m?