More Kenyans busted

No, but deniers are saying that the drugs don't work (on Kenyans?) or some such nonsense. And now that 4 million Kenyans have been busted the arguments have shifted to, 'there are more Kenyans so more busts'. Laughable.

So much wrong packed into that.

Recall in this splinter, we were talking about "whataboutery" saying "Times of elite marathon runners to the introduction of EPO correlation is high". So technically, he is the one using the term.

I disagreed, saying that there was a decade or two of delay, after the introduction of EPO.

I didn't really use the term exlicitly, but did I use it incorrectly? How? I would say both of us are using the term correctly, even if I disagree with the word "high".

Then you said I am "oblivious to the fact that EPO is but only one of many drugs used by athletes" -- apropos of nothing, really. It's like you don't really understand the nuance of the conversation but you want to participate anyway, while lacking the necessary skills to make on-point contributions.

Maybe you wanted to help me explain why I was right to say that times were not highly correlated to the introduction of EPO?

But if you wanted to show a high correlation to any of the many other drugs to "times of elite marathon runners", arguing that "What corresponds to marathon performances is the number of runners who have used drugs, especially in Kenya", only tells me you have no clue what we were trying to correlate. Many of the Kenyans using drugs are not running fast marathon times. And you would fail to show the same correlation for Ethiopia, or for Russia.

As someone wisely said here, the plural of "anecdote" is not "proof".

Proof by many examples is still a fallacy -- the point still stands, even after the latest suspensions.

Don't confuse yourself with "all sports". We are talking about elite distance running, and more specifically elite distance running performance.

If you want to talk about correlations between two things, you need reasonable measures of both. "elite distance runners have been caught using banned PEDS" measures neither, and only "proves" existence and demonstrates a widespread belief that also exists among elite distance runners (and/or their support staff).

That is obvious.

Kenyans are awesome!

It is an 8 year-old who can only see the last part of a sentence and nothing that preceded it. A full paragraph is out of your intellectual reach. So show us what a 70 year-old should write. Of course - it will be exactly the same as what you think.

The only instance where the population argument might apply is India, with well over a billion people. It's not surprising they are ahead of Kenya (but only just) for doping violations, with Kenya having only a fraction of India's population.

You are still talking in your sleep.

All drugs work, negatively or positively on one’s performance in some ways.(And even if your body sometimes isn’t that hugely effected, maybe, your mind and your ethics, and long time health will be). But there’s nuances and an individual context, and we don’t know the over all picture here. The main problem is that a lot of athletes thinks they need doping to achieve the wanted results -therefore the testing has to be broad and deep and true worthy.

8 year-old ^^

Decades of doping in all sports at all levels proves that drugs are performance enhancing or it would not be the global practice that it has become. It is ludicrous to maintain the view, as you do, that alone in a sea of dopers elite distance runners don't benefit from their doping - and they do dope. Actually it isn't merely ludicrous, it is quite disturbed.

So still unable to read a full paragraph. You need to change your username - to something like "the thickest poster ever on these boards".

You need to change your username to something like "the most immature 70 year-old on Earth". Or maybe "The guy who still doesn't know how to quote and edit a post despite his 26,000 posts here".

Changing your username is redundant. You proved long ago what you are. You never have anything to contribute to the subject of a thread. Only one thing brings you here. Sad.

Yes, very laughable. Clotier knows that doping helps, and so do the athletes, see rekkie's quotes, f.ex.

"So even though we are controlling the ones at the top very well and are capable of catching cheaters, because of the pressure from the athletes below, who aren't being tested out of competition, the athletes at the top are taking risks and there is pressure to stay on top."

Big changes are underway in a country where supreme talent combines with unrivalled opportunities to create a doping minefield. And, as Clothier predicts, that list of cheats is only going to grow.

Yes, you are sad. Sad and bitter. You never have anything to contribute to the subject of a thread but your tiresome, repetitive and uninformed doping accusations.

Yet it is only me that interests you on these threads. So what else have you posted on the thread topic? Zilch. You never do.

Wrong conclusion.

Your only contribution to these threads: almost anybody at the top - especially if he/she is Kenyan - dopes.

Anybody who points on some of the nonsense you write - according to you - can't follow your unique argumentation (very often there isn't any real argument at all).

And no, not anybody who criticises you is only interested in you - another nonsensical conclusion from your side.

You are of no interest to anybody. You are a fart polluting the room. Impossible to avoid. Go away. You are worthless.

Thread Summary: Kenyans use drugs - and lots of them.

The entire country of cheating stick figures should be banned permanently from all track events.