The article was initially entiteld, "Zane Robertston!!!!" but we changed it to make it more descriptive. Here is our article on his bust and fake excuses (he said he went to a hospital for a COvid-19 vaccine but they gave him EPO instead) which points out that in 2016 he expressed frutation at the amount of doping in the sport:
If what the AIU says isn't factually correct, prove it otherwise.
A criminal conviction isn't necessary to confirm the AIU has identified the existence of a criminal practice, which isn't limited to a crime committed by a single identifiable individual. It is analogous to revealing the existence of a drug ring. The conviction of a single offender isn't required to establish that, only the guilt of that offender.
But the most telling aspect of the AIU'S investigation is the degree of organisation and subterfuge it has shown in the doping practices of a country with serious doping issues. Only one who is blindfolded cannot see that.
If it had been serious and organised they would not have invented a clearly non existing Doctor.
My guess is that inventing medical excuses and lies has been the simple way out of problems ; hardly sophisticated criminal conspiracy.
You don't understand. The invention of a doctor in these circumstances was unlawful and undertaken with a purpose of defeating proper processes in order to commit a fraud. It required sophisticated organisation to achieve this, beyond the capacity of the individual athletes involved, and required the collusion of several parties. That is effectively a crime ring - as the AIU indicates.
Is it really so hard for you to put a name next to the events I listed? I suppose it is when there aren't many.
It's not hard at all. But people have given you those names already, so why do you expect them to do it again?
Because they and you made the claim of 10 Kenyan world record holders. But none of you can list them next to the events I provided. You duck it again and again. I know why.
If what the AIU says isn't factually correct, prove it otherwise.
A criminal conviction isn't necessary to confirm the AIU has identified the existence of a criminal practice, which isn't limited to a crime committed by a single identifiable individual. It is analogous to revealing the existence of a drug ring. The conviction of a single offender isn't required to establish that, only the guilt of that offender.
But the most telling aspect of the AIU'S investigation is the degree of organisation and subterfuge it has shown in the doping practices of a country with serious doping issues. Only one who is blindfolded cannot see that.
If it had been serious and organised they would not have invented a clearly non existing Doctor.
My guess is that inventing medical excuses and lies has been the simple way out of problems ; hardly sophisticated criminal conspiracy.
Just a reminder of what the AIU uncovered.
An anti-doping disciplinary tribunal convened by Athletics Integrity Unit (AIU) has concluded that there is a "medically-savvy operation helping athletes to try and cover up doping offences" after similarities were found in at least two recent tampering cases involving Kenyan athletes.
The behaviour amounts to "criminal conduct involving frauds", the AIU discovered.
It's not hard at all. But people have given you those names already, so why do you expect them to do it again?
Because they and you made the claim of 10 Kenyan world record holders. But none of you can list them next to the events I provided. You duck it again and again. I know why.
The irony here is that the number of Kenyans who have tested positive for banned substances in recent years far outweighs the number of Kenyans who achieved world records (especially before 1980). The defenders here of Kenyan running prefer not to see that.
If it had been serious and organised they would not have invented a clearly non existing Doctor.
My guess is that inventing medical excuses and lies has been the simple way out of problems ; hardly sophisticated criminal conspiracy.
Just a reminder of what the AIU uncovered.
An anti-doping disciplinary tribunal convened by Athletics Integrity Unit (AIU) has concluded that there is a "medically-savvy operation helping athletes to try and cover up doping offences" after similarities were found in at least two recent tampering cases involving Kenyan athletes.
The behaviour amounts to "criminal conduct involving frauds", the AIU discovered.
The main reason why no criminal charges have been brought against anyone at the stage is because those responsible for faking the medical approval have apparently not been identified.
It's not hard at all. But people have given you those names already, so why do you expect them to do it again?
Because they and you made the claim of 10 Kenyan world record holders. But none of you can list them next to the events I provided. You duck it again and again. I know why.
No we don't. I don't. The "claim" is that there were 10 world records held by Kenyans. That's not 10 Kenyans.
Because they and you made the claim of 10 Kenyan world record holders. But none of you can list them next to the events I provided. You duck it again and again. I know why.
No we don't. I don't. The "claim" is that there were 10 world records held by Kenyans. That's not 10 Kenyans.
But you won't list them next to the events I provided, to justify that claim.
Since 1939, when Rudolf Harbig has run 1:46.6 for 800m, the 800 WR always at least was 1.5 seconds stronger than the 880y record (a distance less than 0.6% longer than the 800). Trying to belittle Kenyan running success again and again because no record in the 880y, is hard to beat in its pure, 2, 4 or ridiculousness.
But Armstrong challenges himself constantly. The last real WRs in the 3 Miles and in the 6 Miles both were set in 1965. After this just a few intermediate times were recogniced.
Pure stupidity and ignorance to ask for those records again and again.
In the 16 year period 1964 - 1979, no other nation has set as many track distance running WRs than Kenya: namely 10.
In the events Kenyans have set no WR in this period, they really came very close to do so:
0.07 s in the 800m
around 1s in the 1000m, the 1500m and in the Mile
The only nation who was close to this in the given period was GB.
They didn't set 10 wr's on the track. Keino set 2 in '65, and Rono 4 in '78.
According to you, Kenyans have set 2 WRs before 1980. You said so for months. You than changed to 4 WRs before 1980. But 2 is different to 4, isn't it? Bertrand Russell has proved it.
2 or 4?
Now, please calculate 2+4. Use a calculator if it's beyond your capabilities.
You should get a different number again. Which is the correct one, 2, 4 or the other one? Four possible answers.
I agree that this thread is now buried and that the initial hype about Zane facing prison time is just that - meaning nothing came of it and that Zane will now be able to get on with his life albeit without athletics for a few years but I wish him luck in his endeavors. Some vindication might come from Jake, his twin and alter ego, who is running extremely well at this time.
The tragedy of all this is that Zane in all probability only doped on that one occasion and his whole career was in all probability clean as a whistle but he will be remembered unfortunately for this unfortunate and unnecessary doping infraction.
They didn't set 10 wr's on the track. Keino set 2 in '65, and Rono 4 in '78.
According to you, Kenyans have set 2 WRs before 1980. You said so for months. You than changed to 4 WRs before 1980. But 2 is different to 4, isn't it? Bertrand Russell has proved it.
2 or 4?
Now, please calculate 2+4. Use a calculator if it's beyond your capabilities.
You should get a different number again. Which is the correct one, 2, 4 or the other one? Four possible answers.
Still you won't name the 10 records next to the events I listed. You are so full of cr*p.
I am figuring you are Kenyan. Your false assertions, and evasiveness when asked to back them up, go some way to explaining the duplicity that is at the heart of Kenyan doping, which is now the worst in the sport. You have provided useful insight into their disease - without intending it, of course.
The legal implications of the AIU investigation that led to a suggestion of "a conspiracy to commit fraud" are quite simple.
The AIU discovered a practice where individuals were apparently working together in breach of the laws and rules that apply to medical practice in order to circumvent rules that apply to sporting competition. Their working together is a "conspiracy" when it has an unlawful motive; the breach of rules applying to medical practice (the passing off of communications and certification purporting to be from a medical professional, who was nonexistent) is unlawful, and the purpose of this conspiracy to defeat rules that apply to the participation in sport constitutes the basis of a "fraud". According to the AIU, that is what the facts of their investigation suggest is occurring.
To bring criminal charges against anyone involved requires that a) they were involved, b) they committed unlawful acts (which is conspiracy to commit a fraud), and c) they did so with intent. To prove the latter all it requires is that it be shown they knew what they were doing. The responsibility for bringing offenders to account under the criminal law is solely that of the police and the courts, who may use the information the AIU has uncovered as evidence.
Where did you find the suggestion: "conspiracy to commit fraud"?
The AIU didn't mention conspiracy as far as I can see:
"It seems that elite Kenyan athletes are being assisted by a person or persons, including someone with considerable medical knowledge, to commit what amounts to criminal conduct involving frauds on the AIU, ...".
Looks like their next step is not (yet) the police or the courts, but a recommendation to investigate further: "We (the disciplinary panel) ... urge the AIU to take all possible steps to establish how this is occurring."
Simply say the words "yes I accept your offer unconditionally", and I promise to quickly put an end to your months of ignorant/incompetent flapping like a fish.
What are you afraid of?
I'm waiting for you to list the names next to the events I identified from 800 to the marathon.You claimed there were many more Kenyan world record holders between 1965-80 than the two I could find. Put up or shut up.
You have been waiting for months, despite the names and events already having been listed at least three times in another thread those same months ago. I offered you several fast ways to end the wait, but the next step is yours. If you are truly confident enough in your competence and historical knowledge to justify your arrogance, what are you afraid of? "yes I accept your offer unconditionally".
I can spoon feed you, but at some point, you will never be able to solve your issues if you deny they, or blame others for them. You need to commit to accepting your inability to find the missing names.
I agree that this thread is now buried and that the initial hype about Zane facing prison time is just that - meaning nothing came of it and that Zane will now be able to get on with his life albeit without athletics for a few years but I wish him luck in his endeavors. Some vindication might come from Jake, his twin and alter ego, who is running extremely well at this time.
The tragedy of all this is that Zane in all probability only doped on that one occasion and his whole career was in all probability clean as a whistle but he will be remembered unfortunately for this unfortunate and unnecessary doping infraction.
What is the probability that on the only occasion that a runner dopes they are unlucky enough to get caught?
I'm waiting for you to list the names next to the events I identified from 800 to the marathon.You claimed there were many more Kenyan world record holders between 1965-80 than the two I could find. Put up or shut up.
You have been waiting for months, despite the names and events already having been listed at least three times in another thread those same months ago. I offered you several fast ways to end the wait, but the next step is yours. If you are truly confident enough in your competence and historical knowledge to justify your arrogance, what are you afraid of? "yes I accept your offer unconditionally".
I can spoon feed you, but at some point, you will never be able to solve your issues if you deny they, or blame others for them. You need to commit to accepting your inability to find the missing names.
You made the claim. You need to back it up - not me. But you can't.