Atlantic Region XC 2008

mikejones, were you there? if so, if you saw Heymann crack it was an illusion because the whole field cracked from Kosgei's move (except the Houghton guy who ran excellent). Heymann ran down Ramsey and Norte in the last mile...remember the first mile of the race was about a 5:05-5:10, and with the pack of guys that were up their through 2.5 miles I would imagine the first 3 miles were probably about the same, meaning the last 1.5-2 miles were blazing.

With that said, Rage- no sweep. Get real. who's the 5th man that will beat Heymann, Williams and 1 or 2 Geneseo guys?

I hope everyone likes snow for regionals; upstate New York got six inches last night.

TCNJ doesn't look powerful. However, in a region that will have, in my opinion, a very crowded, talented top 15-20 the lions benefit from having an ace who is sure to end up in the top five, maybe three. Will Geneseo have a runner in the top 15? Ramsey looks good to fight his way into the top ten for St. Lawrence, but he could still be as many as seven places behind Guerreiro. That kind of head start shouldn't be ignored. I know front runners rarely succeed in helping their team to such an extent that the rest of their scores can run respectable race outside the all-region distinction and still go to nationals. With that said, Boccachino is a good runner and should, at least, replicate his 22nd place performance from last year; he has been a consistent runner all year. I mentioned in my last post that the region should keep an eye on Rodkewitz, too. He has been getting better and better and should not be over looked to sneak into the 25 (which is where TNCJ put their third guy last year, Galen Johnson). The rest of their team does need to step it up, but seeing as how they have a knack for being particularly adroit, I think it would be foolhardy for the 3rd, 4th, and 5th men of Geneseo, St. Lawrence, and NYU to surrender a spot to a TCNJ runner so easily at regionals.

I know I've asked this several times but no one has responded and I'm very curious. Who are our picks for 2nd place male individual.

DeanLaue21: Schneider

Yeah, yeah, I was there. What I meant was he cracked in the middle of the race, anyone looking at the results knows it wasn't a total melt down. My bad for being so vague in my post. However, he was falling off the front group of Kosgei, Horte, Ramsey, and Ballard going to ferndale on the final loop. I was just pointing out that he ran a gutsy race, but didn't look nearly as good as he did earlier in the season, say at preregionals when he never left the shoulders of Nally and Debois.

In addition, it was Ramsey pushing the pace at that time, not Kosgei. He was still hanging off the middle of the group admiring their efforts.

I would like the correct the first sentence of my last post: *crowded and talented 2-15

why so serious wrote:

mikejones, were you there? if so, if you saw Heymann crack it was an illusion because the whole field cracked from Kosgei's move (except the Houghton guy who ran excellent). Heymann ran down Ramsey and Norte in the last mile...remember the first mile of the race was about a 5:05-5:10, and with the pack of guys that were up their through 2.5 miles I would imagine the first 3 miles were probably about the same, meaning the last 1.5-2 miles were blazing.

With that said, Rage- no sweep. Get real. who's the 5th man that will beat Heymann, Williams and 1 or 2 Geneseo guys?

Well we saw Greenlaw back in action at Penn State running 1 second back of Wager who was 4th man that day. It's pretty clear that Cortland has the guys to pull off the sweep, it will simply come down to execution. I personally don't see it happening though.

They say Seth Yernye drank a bucket of gin and beat the livin' tar out of 29 men

And high on the ceiling of that Plattsburgh pub there's 29 spike marks and they're signed "With Love"

hmmmm wrote:

how is the geneseo course looking for this weekend?

the grass was cut very recently, but it might be WET

so whats the prediction on individual qualifiers for nationals, considering the atlantic region gets 5 at large bids? its going to go very deep without any front runners from UR or RIT this year.

1) Peter Kosgei

2) Mike Heymann

3) Tom Williams

4) Drew Hodge?

5) Curt Bell??

6) Nick Stenuf???

7) RPI guy? Anthony Lucero? Nick Pampena guy? Brockport guy???

whatever it is the last few spots are up for grabs!

teams:

Cortland

NYU

SUNY G

TCNJ

individuals:

Kosgei

Heymann

Williams

Ramsey

Hodge

Stenuf

Mwenda

yeah its pretty dumb to think cortland will go 1-7 i think cortland will go 1-14 at sunyacs

The seven favorites for the individual spots not including the top five teams.

1. Kosgei, Hamilton- I wonder how he will fare in cold weather?

2. Heymann, Plattsburgh - I agree with mikejones999, he didn't look stellar but it was a weird race with some unfamiliar guys and a relax Kosgei. No major problems though, he is still awesome.

3. Williams, Fredonia - Is he gonna go for a top spot at Sunyac's? Will that effort wear him down a bit or will he pop a race and head to SLU with some major confidence?

4. Travis Stewart, Rutgers Camden - He's been running well (low 26/ high 25) at some obscure meets. He was an individual qualifier last year.

5. Drew Hodge, Ithaca - I'm sticking with my prediction of a top 15 finish for Hodge at regionals, which could make him about third on this list by the end of the year.

6. Stenuf, Nazareth - He struggled at the Saratoga invite last year and went on to improve substantially in the last month of the year. I expect something similar to that this year.

7. Anthony Lucero, Vassar - It is very close between Lucero, Curt Bell, and Pete Manktelow. Lucero's time from Liberty leagues at St. Lawrence (26:01) edges out Mantkelow and Bell's times at Pre-regionals (26:04, 26:06 respectively). Bell did just beat Lucero at 'Toga but I think Anthony will channel the ghost of Colin Sanders and take the last spot.

Notables: Bell, Manktelow, Donais, Avery, Chebot, Stelzig.

I like the Travis Stewart pick but I dont know if he'll be up that high. He'll make nationals and unfortunately I have a feeling people still wont know who he is. Good picks all in all.

Cortland will not Sweep at SUNYACS, Haymenn and Williams are going to mix it up and prevent the sweep.

That said, the Geneseo Men of 2003 will continue to stand alone as the only men or women's team to sweep cross country SUNYACS.

No No No No wrote:

Cortland will not Sweep at SUNYACS, Haymenn and Williams are going to mix it up and prevent the sweep.

That said, the Geneseo Men of 2003 will continue to stand alone as the only men or women's team to sweep cross country SUNYACS.

Quoted for when/if it happens.

DeanLauer (if that is your real name):

how can u possibly justify not putting ramsey in that top group. he beat hodge last weekend, as he has every time they have gone head to head this season. plus u have dan chebot in the notables and not ramsey. chebto didn't come close to breaking 31 last year for the 10k and ramsey was solidly under it all of the outdoor season. i would say intersting pick if interesting meant idiotic.

DeanLauer (if that is your real name):

how can u possibly justify not putting ramsey in that top group. he beat hodge last weekend, as he has every time they have gone head to head this season. plus u have dan chebot in the notables and not ramsey. chebto didn't come close to breaking 31 last year for the 10k and ramsey was solidly under it all of the outdoor season. i would say intersting pick if interesting meant idiotic.[/quote]

Renegade,

With all due respect, I think you must have missed the part where DeanLauer predicted the top 7 indivduals NOT on teams in the top 5. I'm sure it was an honest mistake, but perhaps you should be less quick to lash out and more respectful in your replies. DeanLauer has shown hismelf to be a knowledgable commentator on this post, and I doubt he would overlook something so easily. Thanks.

$renegade$,Read:

DeanLauer21 wrote:

The seven favorites for the individual spots not including the top five teams.

$renegade$,

I am glad I've caught the attention of such a worthy intellectual adversary. I look forward to our future discourse.

Best regards,

Dean

STORMTROOPER,

What a nice guy you are for getting my back, and in such a timely fashion, too.

Best regards,

Dean

MikeJones

You clearly don't know your Mike Heymann stats all too well. From looking at past results, Id say setting a seasonal best sure is starting to burn out. Damn that kid for improving over the season, what a burnt out POS right?