I don't think it's in good taste to compare historical tragedies. However, 100's of years is very different to 5 years, and so I deliberately used the words "unique", "specific" and "particular" to indicate a very different experience along a very long time line with consequently long term impacts. Additionally, I would scope it as something which has impacted the majority of the planet as an imperial and colonial project in effect to this second.
Jews have been persecuted for over 2000 years.
Jews were enslaved in Egypt LONG before Africans were captured by other Africans and sold to Europeans.
Slavery existed in every society on earth. It still exists today in Africa and Asia.
Increasingly bad taste but Kemet was invaded 3800 years ago and things have not been the same since, and again, the experience of enslaved Africans in North, South and Central America is obviously a very unique and particular experience and would become so over such a lenght of time.
Jews were enslaved in Egypt LONG before Africans were captured by other Africans and sold to Europeans.
Slavery existed in every society on earth. It still exists today in Africa and Asia.
Increasingly bad taste but Kemet was invaded 3800 years ago and things have not been the same since, and again, the experience of enslaved Africans in North, South and Central America is obviously a very unique and particular experience and would become so over such a lenght of time.
Slavery predates Egypt and it still exists today...
DeSantis thinks he’s a modern day bigot Governor George Wallace. Southern bigotry is a tough weed to pull out.
George Wallace was a Democrat. Liberal ignorance is the toughest weed to pull out.
Wallace's bigotry was a conservative stance.
The civil rights movement was a liberal/progressive movement. To oppose it was conservative stance.
No one with any intellectual integrity tries to argue that any stance held by a Democrat is automatically liberal and any stance held by Republican is conservative.
Democrats and Republicans haven't always split down the liberal/conservative spectrum in same way they do now. Take slavery for example. Preserving slavery, clearly a conservative stance, was the position held by Democrats. Opposing slavery, clearly a liberal stance, was the position held by Republicans. Civil War era Republicans were the big government liberals. Today, people with those views would clearly tend to be Democrats.
George Wallace was a Democrat. Liberal ignorance is the toughest weed to pull out.
Wallace's bigotry was a conservative stance.
The civil rights movement was a liberal/progressive movement. To oppose it was conservative stance.
No one with any intellectual integrity tries to argue that any stance held by a Democrat is automatically liberal and any stance held by Republican is conservative.
Democrats and Republicans haven't always split down the liberal/conservative spectrum in same way they do now. Take slavery for example. Preserving slavery, clearly a conservative stance, was the position held by Democrats. Opposing slavery, clearly a liberal stance, was the position held by Republicans. Civil War era Republicans were the big government liberals. Today, people with those views would clearly tend to be Democrats.
Well...all the social capital, wealth and knowledge that allowed the people to thrive and live in sustainable communities with functioning relationships normally passed from generation to generation of course stopped and didn't happen for hundreds of years. A state of suspended development. As I said, they were forced to endure damaging social, economic and political forces for a very long time with the insult of having to take on an alien religion, names and language and whole cosmology on the ways of doing things not necessarily beneficial to them as a group.
You do understand people don't live for 200 years right?
What does oppression CENTURIES and DECADES ago have to do with people born in the last 40 years?
You're also oblivious to the fact that things have gotten WORSE since the civil rights acts in the 60s.
In 1960 less than 30% of black children were raised in broken homes. Today it's over 70%.
Wealth and capital is typically passed from generation to generation. Similarly, socioeconomic conditions can span decades as well as centuries.
I'm not sure how you determined that I'd specifically forgotten something however obviously since 1960, to keep it short, a lot has happened. Again, a people weren't placed in suspended animation but continued to be subject to the detrimental political, economic and social forces.
You do understand people don't live for 200 years right?
What does oppression CENTURIES and DECADES ago have to do with people born in the last 40 years?
You're also oblivious to the fact that things have gotten WORSE since the civil rights acts in the 60s.
In 1960 less than 30% of black children were raised in broken homes. Today it's over 70%.
Wealth and capital is typically passed from generation to generation. Similarly, socioeconomic conditions can span decades as well as centuries.
I'm not sure how you determined that I'd specifically forgotten something however obviously since 1960, to keep it short, a lot has happened. Again, a people weren't placed in suspended animation but continued to be subject to the detrimental political, economic and social forces.
Not in America. You're thinking like a Euro where you're born and die in the same class no matter what you do.
Wealth and capital is typically passed from generation to generation. Similarly, socioeconomic conditions can span decades as well as centuries.
I'm not sure how you determined that I'd specifically forgotten something however obviously since 1960, to keep it short, a lot has happened. Again, a people weren't placed in suspended animation but continued to be subject to the detrimental political, economic and social forces.
The bigotry of soft expectations is strong in the Left. Rather than continuing attempts at rigging the system or enabling and even promoting bad behavior, why not simply give African-Americans a real, honest, and fair chance to excel on their own merits through their own efforts and abilities. Instead, the Left is mired in treating African-Americans like children who are innately incapable of making it on their own. “White Saviorism” isn’t the way to right the wrongs of past generations. It’s far better to “teach a man to fish,” but the Left insists on “giving men a (daily) fish.”
The civil rights movement was a liberal/progressive movement. To oppose it was conservative stance.
lol... no it wasn't.
You're buying into revisionist leftist nonsense.
Now you aren't even trying. For your sake, I hope you are just trolling, otherwise you clearly have no idea what a 'conservative' and 'progressive/liberal' actually mean despite basing your entire identity around them.
Opposing the civil rights movement and wanting to maintain "segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever," was clearly a conservative stance.
Please explain how the civil right movement and desegregation was actually a conservative movement and how opposing them was actually a liberal/progressive stance. Otherwise it is you who is being the revisionist. See if you can actually stay on topic and answer this or as usual you'll just predictably avoid and divert.
Wealth and capital is typically passed from generation to generation. Similarly, socioeconomic conditions can span decades as well as centuries.
I'm not sure how you determined that I'd specifically forgotten something however obviously since 1960, to keep it short, a lot has happened. Again, a people weren't placed in suspended animation but continued to be subject to the detrimental political, economic and social forces.
Not in America. You're thinking like a Euro where you're born and die in the same class no matter what you do.
Name a racist law in America.
Name one legitimate form of systemic racism.
Not quite. In American, for example, you have an agricultural class where farms stay in generations for decades and maybe even centuries.
I'm not sure why you're asking those random questions however I'll just say underlining that, there was and still is an imperial/colonial project in place. You only have to look at the land mass of the Americas that represents a substantial part of the planet, from top to bottom, the principle institutions--the imposition of predominately one religion and a few alien languages/naming systems, and attendant institutional systems and processes.
The bigotry of soft expectations is strong in the Left. Rather than continuing attempts at rigging the system or enabling and even promoting bad behavior, why not simply give African-Americans a real, honest, and fair chance to excel on their own merits through their own efforts and abilities. Instead, the Left is mired in treating African-Americans like children who are innately incapable of making it on their own. “White Saviorism” isn’t the way to right the wrongs of past generations. It’s far better to “teach a man to fish,” but the Left insists on “giving men a (daily) fish.”
But if they really are dumb bubbas (by average IQ), there presumably is a limit to how much you can teach one to fish, as in if enough of them can’t tell that after one, three, and five dots, next comes seven dots, are they ever gonna get good at hooking fish?
Now you aren't even trying. For your sake, I hope you are just trolling, otherwise you clearly have no idea what a 'conservative' and 'progressive/liberal' actually mean despite basing your entire identity around them.
Opposing the civil rights movement and wanting to maintain "segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever," was clearly a conservative stance.
Please explain how the civil right movement and desegregation was actually a conservative movement and how opposing them was actually a liberal/progressive stance. Otherwise it is you who is being the revisionist. See if you can actually stay on topic and answer this or as usual you'll just predictably avoid and divert.
You're regurgitating leftist dogma without any thought at all and I'm the one who isn't trying? lol.
Not in America. You're thinking like a Euro where you're born and die in the same class no matter what you do.
Name a racist law in America.
Name one legitimate form of systemic racism.
Not quite. In American, for example, you have an agricultural class where farms stay in generations for decades and maybe even centuries.
I'm not sure why you're asking those random questions however I'll just say underlining that, there was and still is an imperial/colonial project in place. You only have to look at the land mass of the Americas that represents a substantial part of the planet, from top to bottom, the principle institutions--the imposition of predominately one religion and a few alien languages/naming systems, and attendant institutional systems and processes.
An "agricultural class" LOL!!!
Farmers make up less than 1.5% of the American work force.
The United States was a colony. It rebelled and defeated it's colonizer.
The USA has never been an empire.
You're so busy pretending to be clever you're missing the forest for the trees.
The bigotry of soft expectations is strong in the Left. Rather than continuing attempts at rigging the system or enabling and even promoting bad behavior, why not simply give African-Americans a real, honest, and fair chance to excel on their own merits through their own efforts and abilities. Instead, the Left is mired in treating African-Americans like children who are innately incapable of making it on their own. “White Saviorism” isn’t the way to right the wrongs of past generations. It’s far better to “teach a man to fish,” but the Left insists on “giving men a (daily) fish.”
But if they really are dumb bubbas (by average IQ), there presumably is a limit to how much you can teach one to fish, as in if enough of them can’t tell that after one, three, and five dots, next comes seven dots, are they ever gonna get good at hooking fish?
George Wallace was a Democrat. Liberal ignorance is the toughest weed to pull out.
Wallace's bigotry was a conservative stance.
The civil rights movement was a liberal/progressive movement. To oppose it was conservative stance.
No one with any intellectual integrity tries to argue that any stance held by a Democrat is automatically liberal and any stance held by Republican is conservative.
Democrats and Republicans haven't always split down the liberal/conservative spectrum in same way they do now. Take slavery for example. Preserving slavery, clearly a conservative stance, was the position held by Democrats. Opposing slavery, clearly a liberal stance, was the position held by Republicans. Civil War era Republicans were the big government liberals. Today, people with those views would clearly tend to be Democrats.
Such ignorance...Republicans supported the civil rights bill in greater numbers than Democrats..
Democrats disagreed with this platform in 1860 and Democrats would disagree with it today.
Martin Luther King was a Republican.
Malcolm X said "A White American who identifies as a liberal is the most dangerous and deceitful thing in the Western Hemisphere.”
It is revisionist nonsense that "liberals" all magically switched parties one day.
I repeat:
"Please explain how the civil right movement and desegregation was actually a conservative movement and how opposing them was actually a liberal/progressive stance. Otherwise it is you who is being the revisionist. See if you can actually stay on topic and answer this or as usual you'll just predictably avoid and divert."
I didn't say anything at all about Republicans or Democrats. That's irrelevant to the question and only a diversion tactic by you.
How was the Civil Right's movement conservative? How was desegregation conservative?
Are you capable of answering the question rather than continually diverting the question to an argument over the history of the political parties? Are you capable of discussing an idea on its own merits?
The civil rights movement was a liberal/progressive movement. To oppose it was conservative stance.
No one with any intellectual integrity tries to argue that any stance held by a Democrat is automatically liberal and any stance held by Republican is conservative.
Democrats and Republicans haven't always split down the liberal/conservative spectrum in same way they do now. Take slavery for example. Preserving slavery, clearly a conservative stance, was the position held by Democrats. Opposing slavery, clearly a liberal stance, was the position held by Republicans. Civil War era Republicans were the big government liberals. Today, people with those views would clearly tend to be Democrats.
Such ignorance...Republicans supported the civil rights bill in greater numbers than Democrats..
