The Chinese aren't flinching, the Mexicans aren't flinching. I think Trump is secretly trying to lose 2020. Or he's counting on general voter ignorance since most people don't realize they are paying more for consumer goods unless it's gas, groceries, utilities, etc.
Alan
Fat hurts wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
And there we go. My comments are scoffed at. Why would anyone really want to engage in this discourse when people like Flagpole have set-in-concrete ideas of Trump being the worst person ever. Hey Flaggy- everyone left.
So why won't you go away?
Because she is being paid to troll this thread.
Runningart2004 wrote:
The Chinese aren't flinching, the Mexicans aren't flinching. I think Trump is secretly trying to lose 2020. Or he's counting on general voter ignorance since most people don't realize they are paying more for consumer goods unless it's gas, groceries, utilities, etc.
Alan
The mexicans are sort of flinching - they are coming to DC to talk.
Trump's plan is to always dominate the headlines so no anti-trump momentum can gather
As for policy...policy doesn't really matter to Republicans. They just love Trump is always fighting - that's their view of a real man and they are reveling in Trump's aura.
agip wrote:
Runningart2004 wrote:
The Chinese aren't flinching, the Mexicans aren't flinching. I think Trump is secretly trying to lose 2020. Or he's counting on general voter ignorance since most people don't realize they are paying more for consumer goods unless it's gas, groceries, utilities, etc.
Alan
The mexicans are sort of flinching - they are coming to DC to talk.
Trump's plan is to always dominate the headlines so no anti-trump momentum can gather
As for policy...policy doesn't really matter to Republicans. They just love Trump is always fighting - that's their view of a real man and they are reveling in Trump's aura.
The dem plan is free stuff.
The dem policy is free stuff.
L L wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
LL - I would agree with you on this. It has definitely hurt my porfolio.
Your portfolio is the least that this hurts.
The things that you buy will cost more.
If it does hurt the Mexican economy more that means illegal immigration will go up, not down.
Can you lay out a favorable economic policy that Trump has actually implemented?
I know you like the tax cut but he hand no hand in writing that. He just signed it.
His policies has been tariffs on Mexico, China and Canada.
Any chance that will lead to more things being made in America? (which will cause costs to rise while adding mostly low paying jobs if it does work)
Describe the good actions of Trump.
Republican chiming in here.
I actually welcome the market pullback as it is creating an entry point for me.
The Mexican tariffs may cause things that we buy to cost more in the short term, but will be a positive in the long term. People don’t want to acknowledge that illegal immigration through the southern border is costing the us taxpayers in the form of medical, educational, social, welfare, law enforcement, housing, and other costs and these costs will come down once Mexico helps us with the central migrant issue.
If you need for someone to spell out favorable economic policy from Trump with all the evidence already out there then it would be a waste of time since you aren’t going to be convinced regardless.
Tariffs are a means to an end and not the end unto itself. Trump’s ultimate goals are worthy - getting the Chinese to play fair economically and getting Mexico to shut down unfettered migration from Central America to our southern border
For all the good it will do wrote:
L L wrote:
Your portfolio is the least that this hurts.
The things that you buy will cost more.
If it does hurt the Mexican economy more that means illegal immigration will go up, not down.
Can you lay out a favorable economic policy that Trump has actually implemented?
I know you like the tax cut but he hand no hand in writing that. He just signed it.
His policies has been tariffs on Mexico, China and Canada.
Any chance that will lead to more things being made in America? (which will cause costs to rise while adding mostly low paying jobs if it does work)
Describe the good actions of Trump.
Republican chiming in here.
I actually welcome the market pullback as it is creating an entry point for me.
The Mexican tariffs may cause things that we buy to cost more in the short term, but will be a positive in the long term. People don’t want to acknowledge that illegal immigration through the southern border is costing the us taxpayers in the form of medical, educational, social, welfare, law enforcement, housing, and other costs and these costs will come down once Mexico helps us with the central migrant issue.
If you need for someone to spell out favorable economic policy from Trump with all the evidence already out there then it would be a waste of time since you aren’t going to be convinced regardless.
Tariffs are a means to an end and not the end unto itself. Trump’s ultimate goals are worthy - getting the Chinese to play fair economically and getting Mexico to shut down unfettered migration from Central America to our southern border
Have have ZERO clue, like Trump, about how the economy actual works. Americans will NOT accept the jobs that Trump claims are being "stolen".
Sally Vix wrote:
EPIC wrote:
THIS THREAD IS EPIC
It is indeed epic. EPICLY BAD. It is nothing more than a circle jerk of Trump-haters circling the wagons and spewing Hate towards Trump. Agip, Flagpole, LL and others are fairly smart individuals who are consumed with hate towards Trump. Notice how most of the conservatives have left here already? It is non-stop nonsense with their obsession with Trump and their vitriol towards him. Who wants to come to a thread like this? It is not a honest discourse. It is just one side spewing their crap and another side spewing their crap. Who would really want to engage in this crap? Only people with some serious issues. God bless you all.
^yep.....
As opposed to? wrote:
The dem plan is free stuff.
The dem policy is free stuff.
Hmmm . . . Free Stuff? Like the YUGE tax give to businesses. Like the 10s of BILLIONS in gifts to farmers? Like the unneeded vanity wall along the entire southern border? Seems that free stuff is entirely the result of repub plans and policies.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
It is indeed epic. EPICLY BAD. It is nothing more than a circle jerk of Trump-haters circling the wagons and spewing Hate towards Trump. Agip, Flagpole, LL and others are fairly smart individuals who are consumed with hate towards Trump. Notice how most of the conservatives have left here already? It is non-stop nonsense with their obsession with Trump and their vitriol towards him. Who wants to come to a thread like this? It is not a honest discourse. It is just one side spewing their crap and another side spewing their crap. Who would really want to engage in this crap? Only people with some serious issues. God bless you all.
^yep.....
^Nope....
free stuff wrote:
As opposed to? wrote:
The dem plan is free stuff.
The dem policy is free stuff.
Hmmm . . . Free Stuff? Like the YUGE tax give to businesses. Like the 10s of BILLIONS in gifts to farmers? Like the unneeded vanity wall along the entire southern border? Seems that free stuff is entirely the result of repub plans and policies.
How about the $100,000,000 plus of free golf trips Trump has cost U.S. taxpayers so far.
Runningart2004 wrote:
The Chinese aren't flinching, the Mexicans aren't flinching. I think Trump is secretly trying to lose 2020. Or he's counting on general voter ignorance since most people don't realize they are paying more for consumer goods unless it's gas, groceries, utilities, etc.
Alan
That would seem possible, but with the statute of limitations ticking away on some of his crimes and Mueller just admitting that there are no sealed indictments against Trump, it would behoove Trump to try to win again. Hopefully Swalwell and Nadler will be successful in getting a law passed that pauses the statute of limitations for a President while that person is president.
He is so incompetent, has seemingly no idea about how anything works, so to try to predict what he might do or think seems to be futile.
As opposed to? wrote:
agip wrote:
The mexicans are sort of flinching - they are coming to DC to talk.
Trump's plan is to always dominate the headlines so no anti-trump momentum can gather
As for policy...policy doesn't really matter to Republicans. They just love Trump is always fighting - that's their view of a real man and they are reveling in Trump's aura.
The dem plan is free stuff.
The dem policy is free stuff.
Historically, that isn't how it works, no. You are making that up.
The Rs are always giving things away and blowing out the deficit to do it. Trump just gave trillions away free.
Ds at least try to be fiscally responsible. The deficit shrunk regularly under Obama.
And don't talk about 2008/9 ok? Doing so just makes you ignorant. 2010-2016 would be appropriate.
mara golf wrote:
free stuff wrote:
Hmmm . . . Free Stuff? Like the YUGE tax give to businesses. Like the 10s of BILLIONS in gifts to farmers? Like the unneeded vanity wall along the entire southern border? Seems that free stuff is entirely the result of repub plans and policies.
How about the $100,000,000 plus of free golf trips Trump has cost U.S. taxpayers so far.
It enriches him too as they have to stay at Trump properties and pay for it. Insanity.
E-conomy wrote:
For all the good it will do wrote:
Republican chiming in here.
I actually welcome the market pullback as it is creating an entry point for me.
The Mexican tariffs may cause things that we buy to cost more in the short term, but will be a positive in the long term. People don’t want to acknowledge that illegal immigration through the southern border is costing the us taxpayers in the form of medical, educational, social, welfare, law enforcement, housing, and other costs and these costs will come down once Mexico helps us with the central migrant issue.
If you need for someone to spell out favorable economic policy from Trump with all the evidence already out there then it would be a waste of time since you aren’t going to be convinced regardless.
Tariffs are a means to an end and not the end unto itself. Trump’s ultimate goals are worthy - getting the Chinese to play fair economically and getting Mexico to shut down unfettered migration from Central America to our southern border
Have have ZERO clue, like Trump, about how the economy actual works. Americans will NOT accept the jobs that Trump claims are being "stolen".
your view is that the low-skill, low wage jobs that have been exported will come back to the US? Really, that's your view?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
you know very little man, but keep at it. Actually don't. We have enough low-information people on this thread already.
Fat hurts wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
And there we go. My comments are scoffed at. Why would anyone really want to engage in this discourse when people like Flagpole have set-in-concrete ideas of Trump being the worst person ever. Hey Flaggy- everyone left.
So why won't you go away?
No integrity.
agip wrote:
E-conomy wrote:
Have have ZERO clue, like Trump, about how the economy actual works. Americans will NOT accept the jobs that Trump claims are being "stolen".
your view is that the low-skill, low wage jobs that have been exported will come back to the US? Really, that's your view?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
you know very little man, but keep at it. Actually don't. We have enough low-information people on this thread already.
I was talking about jobs that are already in the U.S. which Americans will not do. Like picking fruit. Cleaning other people's homes. Gardening. Meat plants.
Geez. How did you misses that?
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
It is indeed epic. EPICLY BAD. It is nothing more than a circle jerk of Trump-haters circling the wagons and spewing Hate towards Trump. Agip, Flagpole, LL and others are fairly smart individuals who are consumed with hate towards Trump. Notice how most of the conservatives have left here already? It is non-stop nonsense with their obsession with Trump and their vitriol towards him. Who wants to come to a thread like this? It is not a honest discourse. It is just one side spewing their crap and another side spewing their crap. Who would really want to engage in this crap? Only people with some serious issues. God bless you all.
^yep.....
And yet you are incapable of resisting visiting every day. Hmmmm . . .
E-conomy wrote:
agip wrote:
your view is that the low-skill, low wage jobs that have been exported will come back to the US? Really, that's your view?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
you know very little man, but keep at it. Actually don't. We have enough low-information people on this thread already.
I was talking about jobs that are already in the U.S. which Americans will not do. Like picking fruit. Cleaning other people's homes. Gardening. Meat plants.
Geez. How did you misses that?
Yeah, agip's post makes zero sense. I tried to understand it as a response to your post and it makes zero sense. Then I thought it might have actually been intended as a response to the post that you responded to - but it still makes no sense.
Agip was either drunk or completely misread your post - possibly both.
D--conomy wrote:
E-conomy wrote:
I was talking about jobs that are already in the U.S. which Americans will not do. Like picking fruit. Cleaning other people's homes. Gardening. Meat plants.
Geez. How did you misses that?
Yeah, agip's post makes zero sense. I tried to understand it as a response to your post and it makes zero sense. Then I thought it might have actually been intended as a response to the post that you responded to - but it still makes no sense.
Agip was either drunk or completely misread your post - possibly both.
What are the ramifications of trying to prevent people from seeking asylum? What are the international laws associated with it? What can Mexico do? The vast majority of those seeking asylum aren't Mexican.
You can't stop people from seeking asylum. The alternative is people coming though via other means. At least by seeking asylum at ports of entry you can identify and track to some extent.
Alan
I’m afraid the ramifications are, as always, chaos; human suffering (making more illegal immigrants who are easy to take advantage of); and simply antagonizing trump’s many enemies. Subsequently there is the search for scapegoats, even more racism, etc.
Dictators don’t need friends, they need enemies. Trumpers are too stupid to notice or care.