F this guy with his crackpot tariffs meant to recapture the headlines
F congress for giving away their constitutional power. Congress is supposed to set tariffs, not the president
F the president for betraying the nation.
F this guy with his crackpot tariffs meant to recapture the headlines
F congress for giving away their constitutional power. Congress is supposed to set tariffs, not the president
F the president for betraying the nation.
"White House officials did not immediately explain how driving up the cost of Mexican goods might stem the flow of migrants. If the tariffs damaged the Mexican economy, more of its citizens would try to cross the border to find work in the United States, experts said."
Racket wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
1) Older population dying off.
2) More younger people eligible to vote replacing those older people.
This always brings great amusement to me. Go re-watch videos of the Charlottesville protests from 2017. It wasn't a bunch of grandparents marching around with tiki torches chanting "Jews will not replace us."
Some people want so desperately to believe that racism in America is on it's way out. "Just a few more years when all those racist people die off and the enlightened youth take over!"
I never said racism was on its way out. I never said there aren't younger people who support Trump. It is a fact though that older voters in 2016 were way more likely to vote for him. He won by such a small margin (smaller than the electoral vote count shows). He had a perfect storm of a very bad Democrat candidate, Russian help, his own cheating, and older white voters who are afraid of change (and other things). He can't afford to lose really any of those things. By default he won't be running against Hillary again. And many of those older voters for him in 2016 will not be there to vote for him again in 2020.
agip wrote:
F this guy with his crackpot tariffs meant to recapture the headlines
F congress for giving away their constitutional power. Congress is supposed to set tariffs, not the president
F the president for betraying the nation.
Agreed.
agip wrote:
F this guy with his crackpot tariffs meant to recapture the headlines
He wants the headlines away from his criminality and focused on his incompetence.
Saw this in WSJ :
Under the decision to be made public Friday, the Environmental Protection Agency will allow gasoline with a 15% mix of ethanol to be sold year-round, instead of just eight months a year, effective as soon as it is published in the Federal Register, which officials expect to happen within days.
The move has been opposed by oil companies and environmentalists, who object that it could lead to higher prices at the gas pumps and increase air pollution during the summer months when 15% ethanol fuels had been banned. They are expected to sue to try to block the move.
The decision could be a boon to farmers in places like Iowa, the No. 1 corn and ethanol-producing state that Mr. Trump won in the 2016 election and needs in the 2020 election. Mr. Trump plans to talk up the new policy in coming trips to Iowa and other farm-belt states, say people familiar with those plans.
as Nate Silver pointed out:
Trump's main reelection argument is the economy. The economy is legit fine.
But here he is deliberately sabatoging the economy by raising taxes on businesses and consumers, driving down the stock market and sowing massive uncertainty among companies.
I'm no political genius but this seems utterly stupid and likely to hurt Trump.
agip wrote:
as Nate Silver pointed out:
Trump's main reelection argument is the economy. The economy is legit fine.
But here he is deliberately sabatoging the economy by raising taxes on businesses and consumers, driving down the stock market and sowing massive uncertainty among companies.
I'm no political genius but this seems utterly stupid and likely to hurt Trump.
It IS utterly stupid. He really has no idea about anything. He's a small vindictive man.
THIS THREAD IS EPIC
Flagpole wrote:
agip wrote:
as Nate Silver pointed out:
Trump's main reelection argument is the economy. The economy is legit fine.
But here he is deliberately sabatoging the economy by raising taxes on businesses and consumers, driving down the stock market and sowing massive uncertainty among companies.
I'm no political genius but this seems utterly stupid and likely to hurt Trump.
It IS utterly stupid. He really has no idea about anything. He's a small vindictive man.
By the way, he's not even a REAL MAN by definition.
Maybe we talk more about the stupidity of the Mexican tariffs.
While the tariffs on Chinese goods is bad economics, at least there is an intention to make more things in the US.
The Mexican tariffs is linked to illegal immigration.
As if Mexico will quickly build a wall along their northern border and set up border patrol to get the tariffs eliminated.
Trump has no end plan on this. And no point to it.
We know its American consumers that pay the price for this.
This has no support from Republicans so it's a loser all around.
When people and businesses that favor Trump right now start to notice bad economic realities from Trump's policies they will suddenly take note of his criminal investigations.
agip wrote:
This kind of quote is stunning. I'm assuming it's from a real republican and reflects many other republicans...but it might be phony, or just one person, or a D pretending to be an ignorant R.
but it suggests that people believe Trump when he says the Mueller report exonerated him.
If that is true, then we absolutely need to impeach, to break through the Fox propaganda wall and get facts out.
Cathy Garnaat, a Republican who supported Amash and the president said she was upset about Amash’s position but wanted to hear his reasoning. She said that she will definitely support Trump in 2020 but that Tuesday night was the first time she had heard that the Mueller report didn’t completely exonerate the president.
“I was surprised to hear there was anything negative in the Mueller report at all about President Trump. I hadn’t heard that before," she said. "I’ve mainly listened to conservative news and I hadn’t heard anything negative about that report and President Trump has been exonerated."
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/republican-justin-amash-stands-position-start-impeachment-proceedings-despite-criticism-n1011176
While it is very disheartening, do not be surprised at all. The media on both sides has sold political positions as givens and known truths but the fact is there is a massive chunk of americans who get out to vote every year yet have no clue what is going on in current affairs, and these are well educated people. Many of these people go online to watch cats playing with yarn balls, not to see what's happening in the world.
If Trump hasn't even read the Mueller report, and I'm sure a lot of congressmen as well.. why would we expect that the average american would search for a link online and read through the report themselves? The MSM bet is always that people are too lazy and disinterested to try to find facts, and they are right.
Racket wrote:
Saw this in WSJ :
Under the decision to be made public Friday, the Environmental Protection Agency will allow gasoline with a 15% mix of ethanol to be sold year-round, instead of just eight months a year, effective as soon as it is published in the Federal Register, which officials expect to happen within days.
The move has been opposed by oil companies and environmentalists, who object that it could lead to higher prices at the gas pumps and increase air pollution during the summer months when 15% ethanol fuels had been banned. They are expected to sue to try to block the move.
The decision could be a boon to farmers in places like Iowa, the No. 1 corn and ethanol-producing state that Mr. Trump won in the 2016 election and needs in the 2020 election. Mr. Trump plans to talk up the new policy in coming trips to Iowa and other farm-belt states, say people familiar with those plans.
Pure mkt manipulation to strengthen his position.
Trollminator wrote:
agip wrote:
This kind of quote is stunning. I'm assuming it's from a real republican and reflects many other republicans...but it might be phony, or just one person, or a D pretending to be an ignorant R.
but it suggests that people believe Trump when he says the Mueller report exonerated him.
If that is true, then we absolutely need to impeach, to break through the Fox propaganda wall and get facts out.
Cathy Garnaat, a Republican who supported Amash and the president said she was upset about Amash’s position but wanted to hear his reasoning. She said that she will definitely support Trump in 2020 but that Tuesday night was the first time she had heard that the Mueller report didn’t completely exonerate the president.
“I was surprised to hear there was anything negative in the Mueller report at all about President Trump. I hadn’t heard that before," she said. "I’ve mainly listened to conservative news and I hadn’t heard anything negative about that report and President Trump has been exonerated."
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/republican-justin-amash-stands-position-start-impeachment-proceedings-despite-criticism-n1011176While it is very disheartening, do not be surprised at all. The media on both sides has sold political positions as givens and known truths but the fact is there is a massive chunk of americans who get out to vote every year yet have no clue what is going on in current affairs, and these are well educated people. Many of these people go online to watch cats playing with yarn balls, not to see what's happening in the world.
If Trump hasn't even read the Mueller report, and I'm sure a lot of congressmen as well.. why would we expect that the average american would search for a link online and read through the report themselves? The MSM bet is always that people are too lazy and disinterested to try to find facts, and they are right.
yeah, I know. But what kills me is that people like this one hate democrats and think they are out to destroy the country, giving way everything, opening the borders, etc. They buy the propaganda. Heck, even Sally believes that garbage. They are so ignorant and hating of Democrats, and that is based on propaganda.
Very frustrating to have people like her, who think they are good people, have such strong views based on Russian and Fox and Trump propaganda rather than facts.
L L wrote:
Maybe we talk more about the stupidity of the Mexican tariffs.
While the tariffs on Chinese goods is bad economics, at least there is an intention to make more things in the US.
The Mexican tariffs is linked to illegal immigration.
As if Mexico will quickly build a wall along their northern border and set up border patrol to get the tariffs eliminated.
Trump has no end plan on this. And no point to it.
We know its American consumers that pay the price for this.
This has no support from Republicans so it's a loser all around.
And there is no acceptable way to measure compliance to get the tariffs lifted. Trump's only option, to satisfy his ignorant base, is zero immigrants coming to the boarder. He cannot accept, say, 10,000 per month because they he would be accused of being pro-immigration. Even 1,000 per month is 1,000 too many for his rabid base.
Trump has no end plan to get out of the tariffs. A 30 foot wall will not work. Not even a 50 foot wall.
*border*
trump is trying to control the headlines, and he knows he needs to be portrayed in the press as a fighter.
these tariffs do both. His dumb base wants him to fight and upturn the apple cart. He is his doing that. Voila.
He figures the economy has shrugged off the other tariffs, so why wouldn't it shrug off these tariffs too. He thinks.
The reason Mueller needs to testify to Congress is because Americans learned more from him speaking for 9 minutes than by him writing 400 pages of details.
People don't read the book. They watch the movie.
Mueller spoke to say they he doesn't want to speak again.
And ironically by doing that he showed the impact of him speaking and will need to do more of that.
agip wrote:
He [Trump] thinks.
I must take issue with you on this. Trump is incapable of thinking. He makes decisions by "gut feel".