N Word wrote:
So we are expected to believe that (in the 60s) the USA could achieve what any other national space agency has cared about duplicating since the Americans won the space race?
Yes. No one has used an atomic bomb since we did it, either.
N Word wrote:
So we are expected to believe that (in the 60s) the USA could achieve what any other national space agency has cared about duplicating since the Americans won the space race?
Yes. No one has used an atomic bomb since we did it, either.
N Word wrote:
Science bro wrote:
Our only competitor in the 60s was the USSR. Their N1 heavy lift rocket kept blowing up and never had a successful flight. Our Saturn 5 worked and was able to send large heavy payload (the Apollo spacecraft) out of Earth orbit and to the moon.
That is why we beat the Soviets to the moon. After Apollo 17, Congress cut NASA funds because we already beat the Soviets and landed men on the men 6 times already. NASA did other stuff it could afford to do with funding appropriated to it the moon was done and no longer seemed important.
The reason today everyone is makeing a big deal about SpaceX Falcon Heavy and the SLS is because we will once again have a launch vehicle powerful enough to lift big payloads like manned spacecraft to an escape velocity out of Earth orbit.
It's been an issue of rocket tech and funding and desire to do these things, not "technology" in a general sense the way you are talking about it.
So the puerile reasoning is that no one goes to the Moon now because of an already-won propoganda "race" between civilizations during the Cold War? Does that mean that no other nations' space agencies have any Principal scientific interest in pursuing any manned missions, to the Moon or beyond?
Yes. Pretty much that's it. Even now people in NASA and out question if the proposed Lunar Gateway Station is needed. Many think it is a waste of time and money and is not needed even for the goal of going further on to Mars.
All you need to know to see though this bs claim is that they lost the telemetry data. The biggest achievement of man kind and you lost the data! Come on people, think.
Bummer. I just bought all that stuff at the Neil Armstrong auction and now I find out it did not happen.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/neil-armstrong-memorabilia-fetches-7-5-million-auction-n931051
50 years and no one has established a human base or at the very least a hd camera looking back on Earth to monitor weather patterns, comets etc! Come on people, think. This really is silly now, how Iong has to go by before people realise this was a lie, 100 years, 200 years?
Rayo. wrote:
50 years and no one has established a human base or at the very least a hd camera looking back on Earth to monitor weather patterns, comets etc! Come on people, think. This really is silly now, how Iong has to go by before people realise this was a lie, 100 years, 200 years?
The passage of time isn't as important as better proof of a hoax, or stronger criticisms.
Rayo. wrote:
All you need to know to see though this bs claim is that they lost the telemetry data. The biggest achievement of man kind and you lost the data! Come on people, think.
The original tapes of the raw data from Apollo 11 we're lost. But no worry because we landed on the moon again for Apollo 12, 14, 15, 16, and 17.
Science bro wrote:
N Word wrote:
So the puerile reasoning is that no one goes to the Moon now because of an already-won propoganda "race" between civilizations during the Cold War? Does that mean that no other nations' space agencies have any Principal scientific interest in pursuing any manned missions, to the Moon or beyond?
Yes. Pretty much that's it. Even now people in NASA and out question if the proposed Lunar Gateway Station is needed. Many think it is a waste of time and money and is not needed even for the goal of going further on to Mars.
Solar Wind / cosmic ray radiation beyond the magnetosphere has been quantified by (European) Science experiments in recent years. The intensity of solar charged particles measured, would apparently doom any manned missions - NASA has yet to provide (life support) safety guidelines based on the Apollo mission data . NASA amazingly repudiated all dangers of pure cosmic energy to the flight hardware and even to the astronauts.
To be considered viable, further manned missions beyond the magnetosphere would be necessary before considerable investment predicated on biological survivability, is committed.
Science bro wrote:
Rayo. wrote:
All you need to know to see though this bs claim is that they lost the telemetry data. The biggest achievement of man kind and you lost the data! Come on people, think.
The original tapes of the raw data from Apollo 11 we're lost. But no worry because we landed on the moon again for Apollo 12, 14, 15, 16, and 17.
Perfect, can you link me to that telemetry data so I can check it out. You do realise that Apollo 11 telemetry data was not on one tape, it was 1600+ tapes, all gone. Mighty convenient in light of scrutiny don’t you think. Not really sure what motivates people to defend these claims in 2018, it seems so obvious when you look at things from a neutral initial standpoint you can easily see you have been lied to on this.
Science bro wrote:
Think This One Through wrote:
Yeah...right; here's the thing none of guys think about: If we went to the moon so easily several times with those Apollo missions (only A13 had problems), why then haven't we gone back in almost 50 yrs? Our technology today is so much improved over that primitive technology of the 60s, which should allow us to get the moon more efficiently and much easier than those cumbersome Apollo missions. And with the *50th anniversary* of the Apollo 11 next year, you'd think NASA would have a mission planned.
We're not going to the moon because we can't go to the moon.
We never went to the moon.
Think this through....
Simple answer. The Apollo Program was done and NASA did other things with the limited funds appropriated to them by Congress. That's how US Government agencies work.
Simple answer? Yeah...right; you're not falling for that are you? (you're not some kid just coming out of college who is gullible, are you?).
From NASA: The technology from the Apollo program was supposedly destroyed and therefore they say they can't go back to the moon.
https://youtu.be/8GFfbsOaZc0The technology destroyed?...what a crock of sh*t. ?
Rayo. wrote:
50 years and no one has established a human base or at the very least a hd camera looking back on Earth to monitor weather patterns, comets etc! Come on people, think. This really is silly now, how Iong has to go by before people realise this was a lie, 100 years, 200 years?
Ever heard of satellite?
Why haven't we gone back?
It costs a ton. No real reason to send people when robots will do.
You guys are in the same bin with the folks who complain about government spending, usually, so I'd think this would make sense. Low information...
Harambe wrote:
Why haven't we gone back?
It costs a ton. No real reason to send people when robots will do.
You guys are in the same bin with the folks who complain about government spending, usually, so I'd think this would make sense. Low information...
That would be the LOONEY BIN filled with ranting LUNATICS claiming MEN IN WHITE SUITS walked on the LUNAR SURFACE!
Reticular wrote:
Harambe wrote:
Why haven't we gone back?
It costs a ton. No real reason to send people when robots will do.
You guys are in the same bin with the folks who complain about government spending, usually, so I'd think this would make sense. Low information...
That would be the LOONEY BIN filled with ranting LUNATICS claiming MEN IN WHITE SUITS walked on the LUNAR SURFACE!
I can't quite fathom why this is still being debated.
Rayo. wrote:
50 years and no one has established a human base or at the very least a hd camera looking back on Earth to monitor weather patterns, comets etc! Come on people, think. This really is silly now, how Iong has to go by before people realise this was a lie, 100 years, 200 years?
Here's another update from NASA. LOL!!!
OneGiantLie
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/9119244/secret-nasa-plan-moon-outpost-rocket-launches/We are approaching the 50 year anniversary of the greatest hoax in human history. It is the adult fairy tale that we ever landed on the moon. LOL!
We never did and never will walk on the moon. Stop believing in science fiction.
OneGiantLie
Legit question wrote:
We are approaching the 50 year anniversary of the greatest hoax in human history. It is the adult fairy tale that we ever landed on the moon. LOL!
We never did and never will walk on the moon. Stop believing in science fiction.
OneGiantLie
The Chinese and Indians photos from their probes show that the US moon landings were real, and they have no vested interests in helping out the US. Go back to h-house and troll something else, or go back to Wikipedia and continue "editing" to keep the lies that state positive things about our so-called greatest ally going.
Michael Collins Piper wrote:
Legit question wrote:
We are approaching the 50 year anniversary of the greatest hoax in human history. It is the adult fairy tale that we ever landed on the moon. LOL!
We never did and never will walk on the moon. Stop believing in science fiction.
OneGiantLie
The Chinese and Indians photos from their probes show that the US moon landings were real, and they have no vested interests in helping out the US. Go back to h-house and troll something else, or go back to Wikipedia and continue "editing" to keep the lies that state positive things about our so-called greatest ally going.
Okay then...how do we know the spacecrafts were manned though? A little known fact was that the Soviets successfully landed an unmanned craft on the moon in 1966:
https://www.space.com/35116-luna-9.htmlOne of my suspicions has always been that since the Soviets landed a craft on the moon well before the U.S., the Apollo moon landings were unmanned spacecrafts created to look like they were manned. ?
Let's Get To The Bottom Of This wrote:
One of my suspicions
You think anyone gives a rat's azz about your suspicions?
Like um really? wrote:
Let's Get To The Bottom Of This wrote:
One of my suspicions
You think anyone gives a rat's azz about your suspicions?
Why don't you knock off the cyber bullying wiseazz! FFS, the thread is about the skepticism of the moon landings! There's other posters who have posted their skepticism and might give a "rat's azz."
It's punks like you that create a hostile atmosphere on these discussion forums - as is being discussed in the Meza threads. You could have said something along the lines of I don't agree with your suspicions and here's why or not say anything at all instead of a illogical wiseazz statement. ☝️