He "planned" to walk after a "sprint" at the 10k mark in a HM? You are as ludicrous as ever.
I think you are being ridiculed in this thread very unfairly… But first of all: It’s extremely difficult to know what went on in Jakob’s mind -the post interviews don’t give decisive information. So his plan might f.x been to both set a National record in the 10k and to beat the half record (59.46), or even to hang and beat Kiplimo and Sawe by a kick.
I also think there’s a lot of reasons why Jakob now and then hits the wall - a lot of posters here seem to underestimate his competitive nature, that easily clouds his judgement severely. -It’s so important for him to be good and to win that his feelings and hopes may make him fail grossly.
If he wanted the 10k record wouldn't he run a race of that distance? Why run a HM if only less than half the distance matters and he is subsequently passed by athletes who are actually running when he can't?
I think you are being ridiculed in this thread very unfairly… But first of all: It’s extremely difficult to know what went on in Jakob’s mind -the post interviews don’t give decisive information. So his plan might f.x been to both set a National record in the 10k and to beat the half record (59.46), or even to hang and beat Kiplimo and Sawe by a kick.
I also think there’s a lot of reasons why Jakob now and then hits the wall - a lot of posters here seem to underestimate his competitive nature, that easily clouds his judgement severely. -It’s so important for him to be good and to win that his feelings and hopes may make him fail grossly.
If he wanted the 10k record wouldn't he run a race of that distance? Why run a HM if only less than half the distance matters and he is subsequently passed by athletes who are actually running when he can't?
Running when he can't? He ran most of the race. You don't walk a 63. But hey, you didn't watch the race.
So he didn't walk after 10k because he was gassed and come home in 63 minutes? What would "watching" have changed?
You question if he "planned" it. But you didn't watch it.
Watching it wouldn't tell you that. You seriously think his "plan" was to go for a 10k record (as rekrunner - who lives in a fictional world - asserts) so he had nothing left for the rest of the race? I don't know who is the bigger idiot: Jakob or you.
If he wanted the 10k record wouldn't he run a race of that distance? Why run a HM if only less than half the distance matters and he is subsequently passed by athletes who are actually running when he can't?
Running when he can't? He ran most of the race. You don't walk a 63. But hey, you didn't watch the race.
So he was walking because he just wanted a stroll, not because he was out of juice (so to speak)? I didn't say he walked most of the race. But he sure got passed by those who didn't have to walk at any stage.
He "planned" to walk after a "sprint" at the 10k mark in a HM? You are as ludicrous as ever.
I think you are being ridiculed in this thread very unfairly… But first of all: It’s extremely difficult to know what went on in Jakob’s mind -the post interviews don’t give decisive information. So his plan might f.x been to both set a National record in the 10k and to beat the half record (59.46), or even to hang and beat Kiplimo and Sawe by a kick.
I also think there’s a lot of reasons why Jakob now and then hits the wall - a lot of posters here seem to underestimate his competitive nature, that easily clouds his judgement severely. -It’s so important for him to be good and to win that his feelings and hopes may make him fail grossly.
You think Dumb is ridiculed unfairly - really? Someone who is acting as ridiculous as he does again and again can't be rudiculed unfairly.
5:46 minutes over the WR at the time. What's your exact problem with that? Currently he is a middle/long distance runner, no HM runner. In maybe 8-10 years (age 32 - 34) he might become a HM/Marathon runner who maybe will have a shot at the WR, we have to wait and see.
His first try at the HM distance (21.097m) was 36 hours after he has won the DL 1500m final. He started way too fast for him and followed the leaders - he suffered badly but still got a 10k NR and curagously finished.
And now?
So more excuses as to why he isn't even in the picture for his "best distance". That's all you fans ever come up with.
Which excuse, Dumb? You expect a 1500m/5k runner 36 hours after he has won the DL 1500m final to win against the best HM specialists in a first try at the distance? And if he doesn't perform so well than the point on this again and gain because he has stated the HM might be his best distance? You still think he was talking about his current form- right? Yes, you do.
I'm the opposite of a fan of him. And I don't think the majority of posters who debate his chances to achieve something in the future are fans of him.
The concept of a neutral and rational debate is completely beyond you.
Do you know so little about training and season goals?
In a season where he ran the Olympic 1500m and 5000m, he decided to end the season in a low-key HM race off of 1500m/5000m training.
He set the Norwegian 10K road record in that race, which judging from the sprint at 10K, and the immediate walking, was at least one of the plans.
We shouldn't read too much into a 63 minute half in that context with respect to his true potential.
He "planned" to walk after a "sprint" at the 10k mark in a HM? You are as ludicrous as ever.
I said that the "10K road record" was one of the plans.
It would make more sense to you if you possessed a basic understanding about training and season goals, especially in an Olympic year where Jakob trained and raced for the much shorter events of 1500m/5000m.
It is not ludicrous at all to think that this half-marathon was just for the experience, and that the plan was to stick with the leaders for as long as he could, and at least for 10K, and maybe get a national record.
If you’re not willing/able to deal in hypotheticals, why are you posting on an internet running forum.
Of course: He hasn’t broken the [fill in blank] record until he has broken it.
But arguing about would/could/should is what internet fam forums are all about. Your posts are nothing we can’t find on Wikipedia or the IAAF page.
I'm not the one getting enraged at suggestions Ingebrigtsen is unlikely to get the 5k record. Or 10k or HM records. Most here think these achievements are a foregone conclusion. They aren't. He hasn't shown any convincing sign he will get the distance records.
Remember what you said about the "unbreakable" 3k record just a season before Jakob breaking it by 3 seconds? You should hold virtual seminars about how someone can have this much of an unfounded superiority complex despite being proven wrong again, and again, and again.
I think you are being ridiculed in this thread very unfairly… But first of all: It’s extremely difficult to know what went on in Jakob’s mind -the post interviews don’t give decisive information. So his plan might f.x been to both set a National record in the 10k and to beat the half record (59.46), or even to hang and beat Kiplimo and Sawe by a kick.
I also think there’s a lot of reasons why Jakob now and then hits the wall - a lot of posters here seem to underestimate his competitive nature, that easily clouds his judgement severely. -It’s so important for him to be good and to win that his feelings and hopes may make him fail grossly.
If he wanted the 10k record wouldn't he run a race of that distance? Why run a HM if only less than half the distance matters and he is subsequently passed by athletes who are actually running when he can't?
According to Jakob (post interviews) the 10k record sort of only was his B plan. And his overall goal was to run a half marathon to see what he could do. -This doesn’t tell us much about what he thought, but I’m pretty sure his plan wasn’t to be totally crushed after the first 10k -he obviously got slammed, and I’m pretty sure he would admit this if asked properly…
So more excuses as to why he isn't even in the picture for his "best distance". That's all you fans ever come up with.
Which excuse, Dumb? You expect a 1500m/5k runner 36 hours after he has won the DL 1500m final to win against the best HM specialists in a first try at the distance? And if he doesn't perform so well than the point on this again and gain because he has stated the HM might be his best distance? You still think he was talking about his current form- right? Yes, you do.
I'm the opposite of a fan of him. And I don't think the majority of posters who debate his chances to achieve something in the future are fans of him.
The concept of a neutral and rational debate is completely beyond you.
And so they keep coming. You have no idea what is rational debate.
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If he wanted the 10k record wouldn't he run a race of that distance? Why run a HM if only less than half the distance matters and he is subsequently passed by athletes who are actually running when he can't?
According to Jakob (post interviews) the 10k record sort of only was his B plan. And his overall goal was to run a half marathon to see what he could do. -This doesn’t tell us much about what he thought, but I’m pretty sure his plan wasn’t to be totally crushed after the first 10k -he obviously got slammed, and I’m pretty sure he would admit this if asked properly…
I don't know what he would admit to but I agree with most of what you said, particularly your point that he wanted to see what he could do for a HM. He misjudged it.
I'm not the one getting enraged at suggestions Ingebrigtsen is unlikely to get the 5k record. Or 10k or HM records. Most here think these achievements are a foregone conclusion. They aren't. He hasn't shown any convincing sign he will get the distance records.
Remember what you said about the "unbreakable" 3k record just a season before Jakob breaking it by 3 seconds? You should hold virtual seminars about how someone can have this much of an unfounded superiority complex despite being proven wrong again, and again, and again.
I haven't been proven wrong "again and again". He broke the 3k record, which most thought was unbreakable, set as it was over a quarter of a century ago in the EPO era. It simply confirms for me that Ingebrigtsen is doped to the gills.
But breaking a record that is only a little over half the distance of the 5k does not mean he must break the 5k record. So far he hasn't - or even got near it. So I haven't been proven wrong about that. The only thing you prove is that you are a pompous opinionated bore.
So more excuses as to why he isn't even in the picture for his "best distance". That's all you fans ever come up with.
Which excuse, Dumb? You expect a 1500m/5k runner 36 hours after he has won the DL 1500m final to win against the best HM specialists in a first try at the distance? And if he doesn't perform so well than the point on this again and gain because he has stated the HM might be his best distance? You still think he was talking about his current form- right? Yes, you do.
I'm the opposite of a fan of him. And I don't think the majority of posters who debate his chances to achieve something in the future are fans of him.
The concept of a neutral and rational debate is completely beyond you.
I’m a huge fan of Ingebrigtsen. In all my years of following the sport, I’ve never seen such a talented runner that races and goes after records as often he does. Look at all the threads about him. He is wonderful for the sport.
He "planned" to walk after a "sprint" at the 10k mark in a HM? You are as ludicrous as ever.
I said that the "10K road record" was one of the plans.
It would make more sense to you if you possessed a basic understanding about training and season goals, especially in an Olympic year where Jakob trained and raced for the much shorter events of 1500m/5000m.
It is not ludicrous at all to think that this half-marathon was just for the experience, and that the plan was to stick with the leaders for as long as he could, and at least for 10K, and maybe get a national record.
At no stage before the race did he claim the 10k record was his "plan". That is a retrospective claim, made by those such as you. What athlete of his calibre enters a HM to run himself into the ground seeking a national record for a distance that isn't even half that of the event he is entered? He performed way below expectations - his own included - and embarrassed himself by being reduced to a walk by the half-way mark. Your feeble justification for it - it was all a "master plan" - only adds to that embarrassment, but your record on these boards shows that if you choose to defend anything it will invariably be false.
Which excuse, Dumb? You expect a 1500m/5k runner 36 hours after he has won the DL 1500m final to win against the best HM specialists in a first try at the distance? And if he doesn't perform so well than the point on this again and gain because he has stated the HM might be his best distance? You still think he was talking about his current form- right? Yes, you do.
I'm the opposite of a fan of him. And I don't think the majority of posters who debate his chances to achieve something in the future are fans of him.
The concept of a neutral and rational debate is completely beyond you.
I’m a huge fan of Ingebrigtsen. In all my years of following the sport, I’ve never seen such a talented runner that races and goes after records as often he does. Look at all the threads about him. He is wonderful for the sport.
I think he is greatly overrated in a sport that has lost all credibility through its doping and that has a reduced public following compared to other major sports. So we differ there.
I think you are being ridiculed in this thread very unfairly… But first of all: It’s extremely difficult to know what went on in Jakob’s mind -the post interviews don’t give decisive information. So his plan might f.x been to both set a National record in the 10k and to beat the half record (59.46), or even to hang and beat Kiplimo and Sawe by a kick.
I also think there’s a lot of reasons why Jakob now and then hits the wall - a lot of posters here seem to underestimate his competitive nature, that easily clouds his judgement severely. -It’s so important for him to be good and to win that his feelings and hopes may make him fail grossly.
You think Dumb is ridiculed unfairly - really? Someone who is acting as ridiculous as he does again and again can't be rudiculed unfairly.
Which excuse, Dumb? You expect a 1500m/5k runner 36 hours after he has won the DL 1500m final to win against the best HM specialists in a first try at the distance? And if he doesn't perform so well than the point on this again and gain because he has stated the HM might be his best distance? You still think he was talking about his current form- right? Yes, you do.
I'm the opposite of a fan of him. And I don't think the majority of posters who debate his chances to achieve something in the future are fans of him.
The concept of a neutral and rational debate is completely beyond you.
I’m a huge fan of Ingebrigtsen. In all my years of following the sport, I’ve never seen such a talented runner that races and goes after records as often he does. Look at all the threads about him. He is wonderful for the sport.
He is good for the sport, yes. Just not my favoured type of person and runner.
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