Agree to disagree. When it gets to Cain, an athlete I followed in high school, unfortunately you start running into the Salazar issue.
I dont believe a non junior woman can break 1.58 without drugs,let alone a teenager.I dont believe teenage girls can break 2 minutes clean.The human body has limits.
He didn't. I have read he was 14 when he ran 5.38. it was his first effort over the distance. He wasn't 14 - or anything like it - when he ran 4.08. But, for the sake of argument, if he had been an untrained athlete of, say 16, when he ran 5.38 then it may have been possible to progress to 4.08 with serious training within the same year. But improvements of that kind are impossible for athletes who have already trained and competed for some years in the sport. We see that even with a prodigy like Ryun his improvement from age 18 to 20 was very small - a few seconds - and he never improved thereafter.
Again you are totally wrong, just like in most of your other postings so this is nothing new for you.
Again, I was right there at the time, so I know exactly what happened. I trained with Timmons for several years during off season, and even traveled on trips with them. I knew the others on the team in those years, and race and trained with Ryun a few times including right up until he first ran 3:59 and then 3:39 in the trials.
You raced and trained with Jim Ryun and you're posting on letsrun.com with an anonymous handle "Faster Wiley" and expect for anyone to take you seriously?
What do you base this belief on? I think shoe tech alone has changed the game that any calculations from 4 or more years ago need to go out the window.
(FOX59) — A former coach at Huntington University denies allegations made by two former Huntington University cross country and track runners who filed a federal lawsuit. The women claim they were …
Dirr said she didn’t witness a doping scheme or ever hear anyone talk about rape allegations or forced injections. She said there was an Olympic training center study backed by the university and parents to see how different body types reacted to L-Carnitine. She believes everyone who took part signed consent forms.
Angela Ganote asked Dirr “Did you sign it?.” She said, “I did.” Ganote asked, “To your knowledge, these are not banned substances?” Dirr said “No. Caffeine is a banned substance. You drinking coffee and then running that would be illegal."
I ran 1:51 at age 19. Is it that hard to beleive that a few elite women can do it when thousands of men can do it?
No woman has run faster than 1.53.4 - and with drugs. That you think male and female performances are comparable means you take the prize for the dumbest poster on the thread.
Dirr is a big reason why so many of the accusations are in doubt. Being their top runner, would she not have a good view of what was going on? Being one of NJ's honeys and living with the others, woudn't she have more relevant perspective on that? Wouldn't she gain significantly by joining the lawsuit, assuming the accusations true? Is she still under the Johnsons cult and unable to think for herself?
Dirr is a big reason why so many of the accusations are in doubt. Being their top runner, would she not have a good view of what was going on? Being one of NJ's honeys and living with the others, woudn't she have more relevant perspective on that? Wouldn't she gain significantly by joining the lawsuit, assuming the accusations true? Is she still under the Johnsons cult and unable to think for herself?
What do you make of Dirr, Pavement88?
I think fundraising to run Boston is rather pathetic, don't you?
Dirr said she didn’t witness a doping scheme or ever hear anyone talk about rape allegations or forced injections. She said there was an Olympic training center study backed by the university and parents to see how different body types reacted to L-Carnitine. She believes everyone who took part signed consent forms.
Angela Ganote asked Dirr “Did you sign it?.” She said, “I did.” Ganote asked, “To your knowledge, these are not banned substances?” Dirr said “No. Caffeine is a banned substance. You drinking coffee and then running that would be illegal."
Thanks! Proof that collegiate athletes are worldly individuals with extensive knowledge of anti-doping rules and methods. Starbucks = doping. Injected L-carnitine = Flintstones chewables.
Of course, no one would never, ever in a million years, think to lace a little T or Epogen into an L-carnitine drip or B12 shot. Shudder the thought!
I ran 1:51 at age 19. Is it that hard to beleive that a few elite women can do it when thousands of men can do it?
No woman has run faster than 1.53.4 - and with drugs. That you think male and female performances are comparable means you take the prize for the dumbest poster on the thread.
It's 4 a.m. in New Zealand, and you have been posting here for hours now, without even a one hour break. And he is the dumbest poster? Sorry mate, that prize is all yours.
You are filled with venom. That's why you spend your days here accusing people of doping, and why you hardly sleep.
No, he didn't. He ran 5.38 in his first effort as a 14 year-old. He ran 4.08 some years later.
You are wrong again.
I lived less than 15 miles from Wichita East at the time and often trained with Timmons and the team.
Ryun ran a 5:38 time trial at the start of cross country season, then ended up 6th at the state cross country meet.
In the first track meet in spring he ran 4:32.4, only 2 tenths behind the defending state champion in the mile. Two weeks later he beat that defending state champion in 4:26. At the end of track season he ran 4:16 to win the state championship in the mile, and a few weeks later ran 4:08 in an open track meet against college competition.
Therefore, yes, Ryun went from 5:30 to 4:08 in the mile in just a few months.
Yes, this is true. You can see it in the Jim Ryun Story, which is unfortunately out of print.
Wiley has dropped 7 seconds in a year in the 800m from high school. She's dropped 8 seconds in the 1500m. Does that mean she was clean in high school but started doping after all the scandals were over and after her hs record? On the pro level, you can see how much figures from Niels Laros to Jakob Ingebrigtsen or Cameron Meyers dropped, often as much as 8 seconds in the 1500m in a year, and that's for 3:30s and 3:40s athletes. Let's face it but time drops alone don't tell whether someone is doping.
Josh Neideck couldnt coach a falling object to the ground without gravity as his assistant doing all of the work for him. Never met a lazier coach in my life. I would never send a kid to run for him. Wiley is successful despite Neideck, not because of him. It is very similar to her early high school years when she ran fast despite being coached by Matt Ditzler. That's the guy who should be interviewed. She found running under him, but didn't seem to like his coaching style or something. I believe he is out of the sport now, and the sport is better off for it!
Brojos,
Can we get a third option? Upvote, downvote and a WTH?vote.
No woman has run faster than 1.53.4 - and with drugs. That you think male and female performances are comparable means you take the prize for the dumbest poster on the thread.
It's 4 a.m. in New Zealand, and you have been posting here for hours now, without even a one hour break. And he is the dumbest poster? Sorry mate, that prize is all yours.
You are filled with venom. That's why you spend your days here accusing people of doping, and why you hardly sleep.
Seek professional help; you need it.
Just wait til Alec Baldwin is charged again for the on-set shooting. He will be on here every minute of every day.
Dirr is a big reason why so many of the accusations are in doubt. Being their top runner, would she not have a good view of what was going on? Being one of NJ's honeys and living with the others, woudn't she have more relevant perspective on that? Wouldn't she gain significantly by joining the lawsuit, assuming the accusations true? Is she still under the Johnsons cult and unable to think for herself?
What do you make of Dirr, Pavement88?
I think fundraising to run Boston is rather pathetic, don't you?
I am not Dirr, if that is what you're hinting at. There are a lot of things that people do that I do not on the surface find to be in great taste, but I may not know the full situation, so who am I to judge? It looks like the gofundme was initiated by Angie (her mom). How many of us would like to get dragged on LR based on something our parent(s) did? If anything, this gofundme looks like even more of reason that joining the suit could have benefitted her (if it were true, of course). Other than this, I don't see how this is germane at all.
Dirr said she didn’t witness a doping scheme or ever hear anyone talk about rape allegations or forced injections. She said there was an Olympic training center study backed by the university and parents to see how different body types reacted to L-Carnitine. She believes everyone who took part signed consent forms.
Angela Ganote asked Dirr “Did you sign it?.” She said, “I did.” Ganote asked, “To your knowledge, these are not banned substances?” Dirr said “No. Caffeine is a banned substance. You drinking coffee and then running that would be illegal."
Thanks! Proof that collegiate athletes are worldly individuals with extensive knowledge of anti-doping rules and methods. Starbucks = doping. Injected L-carnitine = Flintstones chewables.
Of course, no one would never, ever in a million years, think to lace a little T or Epogen into an L-carnitine drip or B12 shot. Shudder the thought!
And why is a college coach giving athletes injections of anything? When did that become a thing?
I am not Dirr, if that is what you're hinting at. There are a lot of things that people do that I do not on the surface find to be in great taste, but I may not know the full situation, so who am I to judge? It looks like the gofundme was initiated by Angie (her mom). How many of us would like to get dragged on LR based on something our parent(s) did? If anything, this gofundme looks like even more of reason that joining the suit could have benefitted her (if it were true, of course). Other than this, I don't see how this is germane at all.
Where, exactly, did I hint at you being Dirr?
Her name is listed as one of the two people on this fundraising team.
I still can't get over: "You drinking coffee and then running that would be illegal.”
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