I am SICK of people saying keep things shutdown when they aren't starving or broke

Here you go mate, I’d hate to see you starve.

Go get em.

The solution is basic income at a living wage level, not opening up all businesses and letting thousands die of corona virus.

Only 700 jobs lost so that Grandpa can eek out a few more months and get finished off by something else instead. Never mind that by then several much younger folk will kill themselves in despair or die because of undiagnosed disease incurred when the medical system was preoccupied with the 2019 extra-special-super-novel coldy-flu (or is it more of a fluey-cold?)

Just a wonderful strategy.

When I was a younger guy without a job, I worked in management at one of the large corporate drug store companies. The grocery stores are swamped. Store managers at CVS and Walgreen, with bonuses earn over $100,000 per year. I am sure store managers at Safeway, Kroger, Target and Walmart make over $100,000 base salary. We need to stamp out this virus. It would have been better if it occurred weeks ago. We cannot re-open the restaurants because you are not doing well. I wish you well, but I know Kroger cannot keep up with current demand. Walk into a Kroger or Safeway at 8am tomorrow morning. Ask for store manager. Look the store manager in the eye and tell him you want a management position.

Kvothe wrote:

The solution is basic income at a living wage level, not opening up all businesses and letting thousands die of corona virus.

It’s not that complicated really, they figured it out in most European countries. Living wage for those who are out of work because of the pandemic and for the duration of the lock down.

Instead in the US, they send $1,200 to everyone (who earns under $70K) including those who haven’t missed a paycheck. Absolutely ridiculous. People who didn’t need money got money and those you really need got a one time mediocre check which will have to be topped up with another Bill.

YMMV wrote:

Only 700 jobs lost so that Grandpa can eek out a few more months and get finished off by something else instead. Never mind that by then several much younger folk will kill themselves in despair or die because of undiagnosed disease incurred when the medical system was preoccupied with the 2019 extra-special-super-novel coldy-flu (or is it more of a fluey-cold?)

Just a wonderful strategy.

There are loads of companies hiring right now. Might not be the job the younger people want but it will pay the bills for a while.

Without any lockdown then you’d really see how overwhelmed the hospital system is, basically the exact opposite of what you’re implying.

Icouldbeyourmom wrote:

There is a lot of disparity. In my neighborhood there are people lining up for miles for the food bank, and others wondering what fun thing to buy with their stimulus money.

One of the primary reasons this "social distancing" is an ineffective joke. Who's working at the food bank? If any of them are contagious with the virus, they could be literally handing it to thousands of other people.

The same is true of closing nearly everything but a few big supermarkets. Now everyone is crowded into those supermarkets, including anyone shedding virus by touching stuff. The virus people are herded through a few checkstands where they all touch the buttons on the payment terminal, and then the non-virus people are herded through to touch the exact same buttons. You couldn't design a more efficient virus-distribution system.

Fortunately, people can wash their hands afterward, just like they could after shopping other places. Fortunately you can avoid being coughed on if they're all wearing masks, just like you could avoid being coughed on if they wore masks at smaller stores too. There is no difference, no point to any of it, other than to make crazy people feel better.

Let them eat cake, right?

Kvothe wrote:

The solution is basic income at a living wage level, not opening up all businesses and letting thousands die of corona virus.

Totally not true! Small business are closing fool, and you probably are getting paid, so your point dosen't mean crap.

student of economics wrote:

When I was a younger guy without a job, I worked in management at one of the large corporate drug store companies. The grocery stores are swamped. Store managers at CVS and Walgreen, with bonuses earn over $100,000 per year. I am sure store managers at Safeway, Kroger, Target and Walmart make over $100,000 base salary. We need to stamp out this virus. It would have been better if it occurred weeks ago. We cannot re-open the restaurants because you are not doing well. I wish you well, but I know Kroger cannot keep up with current demand. Walk into a Kroger or Safeway at 8am tomorrow morning. Ask for store manager. Look the store manager in the eye and tell him you want a management position.

Are you getting paid??? What do you do???? Your point of everyone looking for a job at Walgreens is FN stupid!! Walgreens dosen't pay anything close to that where l live, not even in the same universe.Now again what do you do? Are you getting a check? Do you have kids? If you are getting paid STFU and stop telling all small business to shut down if they can't make and go look for jobs at Walgreens.? You and people like you seriously PMO!!!! You are 100% part of the population getting a check and is not affected by this, other then inconvenienced. I seriously wish you could walk in my shoes or people worse of and tell them go look for a job at Walgreens tomorrow. FYI the other stores you named aren't even in my state. Imagine telling all the small business owners that are broke," go look for a job at Walgreens cuz you'll make a killing".65 percent of the business in my city would close and the other wouldn't be far behind. You seriously PMO!!!

Ciro wrote:

YMMV wrote:

Only 700 jobs lost so that Grandpa can eek out a few more months and get finished off by something else instead. Never mind that by then several much younger folk will kill themselves in despair or die because of undiagnosed disease incurred when the medical system was preoccupied with the 2019 extra-special-super-novel coldy-flu (or is it more of a fluey-cold?)

Just a wonderful strategy.

There are loads of companies hiring right now. Might not be the job the younger people want but it will pay the bills for a while.

Without any lockdown then you’d really see how overwhelmed the hospital system is, basically the exact opposite of what you’re implying.

Where are these jobs; not in my city only Uber and that isn't hitting. I am not a kid, l am 57. On a side note are you getting paid? Do you have a family to support? Are you broke? Is your business in trouble? If it's NO to all these STFU!! Telling all the small business owners to quit their jobs and go drive for Uber to support your family or something like that. People like you seriously PMTFO ?.. l mean big time!!! You motivated me to go running tomorrow. You are so out of touch with reality. Telling business owners to quit their jobs, so you can stay home longer on your couch, and go to support their families by driving Uber or something. Open up the DAM business!! Actually more people are starting to go my way, so the good news is I might get my wish, and your butt might have to go back to work to, o yeah and there still won't be any races or football too.

[quote]Kvothe wrote:

The solution is basic income at a living wage level, not opening up all businesses and letting thousands die of corona virus.[/quote. I take it you are not a small business owner and are getting a check because l DAM well know you wouldn't want to keep your business closed if things where getting bad. It is estimated that 30 percent of the small business in my community are seriously in danger of not opening, and l live in a major city.

stop Democrat fascism wrote:

I feel bad for all the college seniors who now have zero chance of landing a job anytime soon. Of course, there are a myriad of other examples of people’s lives disrupted with long term negative consequences.

I recall a Yale Study shows that people who graduated in 1984 during a recession 25 years later had earned 2.5% less than those who graduated in 1988 and 1989. Two-point five percent may not seem much but accumulated over a 25 year period accounting for inflation and CPI indices and you get decent chunk of change. Would not surprise me if 2008-2009 and 2020 end the same. There is advocacy of universities taking a year off too.

What I hope happens this time around is educational reform. We are in an education system living on the vestiges of what transpired post-WWII when secondary education became a standard. In that same system, which since the 90s has pumped up college as a basic need, we currently cripple our kids with unprecedented debt totals before they trivial social things like drink a beer or rent a car or hotel.

What I am implying is that with time the basic education requirements for sustenance in real life has increased by a minimum quantity of four years. This is where curriculums need to shift back even if it means we cut out the hand holding through elementary school and start serving typical kids geometry by fourth grade, algebra by 5th and calc starting in middle school. Screw the Department of Public Instruction, really, because they have overloaded the system and clogs and unplugged holes in the system persist.

No, it wouldn't have been over, it would have been prolonged for years if shut down earlier. How long do you think a country takes to get immunity when you slow it down so much ?

where is my check wrote:

save some money wrote:

How about just living within your means so that you aren't "starving or broke"?

Sir you are an idiot!! I talking about whole livelihoods being destroyed, and you're giving me a Dave Ramsey speech. People are scared and you're spouting off that crap.?

Umm, step one in his plan is to establish a 6 month emergency fund for just this type of situation. But yeah, its crap...

You are correct. The same people who claim to follow science are the ones who wanted more severe lockdowns then and now even though science says that flattens the curve which extends the time it takes to run its course. The ideal strategy is do find the curve that peaks at hospital capacity. I don't think we truly got close to hospital capacity as a nation which means social distancing was a failure. This will be easily measured in a few months and the Governors who shut down well beyond hospital capacity, will be in big trouble. Business owners will be able to sue but the states will be broke. Governors are not immune to criminal prosecution or personal lawsuits.

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

I would rather be homeless and eating out of a dumpster than catch COVID-19. #StayAtHome

That's a fantastic idea! Let's all lose our jobs and eat out of dumpsters. It's the perfect way to avoid catching COVID-19. We'll simply start mass-gathering at a completely unsanitary location to obtain our food. What could possibly go wrong?

But it's all good because we'll #StayAtHome....oh wait....we won't have a home to stay in.

I guess we're all gonna die.

This has go to be one of the best troll threads in a while HAHA. Had me going until the past couple posts.

Looking at the premise that it's mostly economically unaffected people calling for the continued shutdown:

Governors have required the shutdowns.

States are losing tons of revenue from this. They are affected. But yes, the elected officials still get paid.

The economy is all tied together, so everyone will take a hit over time.

You are in advertising. I don't think your job requires you to be shoulder to shoulder with your customers and vendors on a regular basis. Your risk is minimal.

Seems like you are asking for millions of people to congregate to bring back businesses so your customers will spend more on advertising.