Scholarships have nothing to do with it. Teams can still carry 100 people if they so choose.
Scholarships have nothing to do with it. Teams can still carry 100 people if they so choose.
blah blah blah de blah wrote:
Pete Schuder wrote:
The reason the DMR is run, rather than the 4x8 is due to the fact that Men's scholarships were cut to 12.5, thus making it more difficult to carry extra 800 runners, so the NCAA Coaches Assn put forth the proposal that the DMR be the distance relay instead. If memory is accurate, it was Gags, while at Georgetown, that made that proposal and it was approved by a high number of coaches. It was then passed by the NCAA. I don't remember the year this was done.
Creative writing major? The 4x8 was run 1965-1993. The DMR was run 1967 to present. Gagliano was a high school coach when the DMR was introduced.
Ok, so my memory is splintered a bit, but this changeover occurred when the 500 and 1000 and 4x800 (I think) were taken out of the meet and only the 400 and 800 and DMR were run (Or the 500 and 1000 were changed to 400 and 800). And I do remember the NCAA Convention meeting when the decision was made to go with the DMR and not the 4x800 and the argument for that case. I apologize for maybe not recalling all the facts. And Gags I think was at Georgetown in 1993. But again, this is what happens when we (I) get old.
http://www.ustfccca.org/ustfccca-hall-of-fame/ustfccca-hall-of-fame-class-of-2003/frank-gagliano-ustfccca-class-of-2003The point is, and I am sure about this, that the argument was you didn't need extra 800 guys on scholarship, since the DMR had a cross section of runners already on the team. No need to belabor this point, just wanted to throw out why the NCAA runs the DMR instead of the 4x800.
Nobody is quite sure but it is not scholarships. Most guys have no scholarship since there are only 12.6 to spread across 50.
blah blah blah de blah wrote:
Pete Schuder wrote:
The reason the DMR is run, rather than the 4x8 is due to the fact that Men's scholarships were cut to 12.5, thus making it more difficult to carry extra 800 runners, so the NCAA Coaches Assn put forth the proposal that the DMR be the distance relay instead. If memory is accurate, it was Gags, while at Georgetown, that made that proposal and it was approved by a high number of coaches. It was then passed by the NCAA. I don't remember the year this was done.
Creative writing major? The 4x8 was run 1965-1993. The DMR was run 1967 to present. Gagliano was a high school coach when the DMR was introduced.
DMR was not run from '86 through '93. During those years, the 4 x 800m was run. In 1994 the DMR replaced the 4 x 800m. I have no idea whether this had to do with scholarships or Gags but thems the facts.
http://www.ustfccca.org/assets/record-book/ncaa-division-i-indoor-track/NCAA-DI-ITF-Event-YearByYearResults.pdfrojo wrote:
I say great race but it also showed why I hate the DMR. I thought maybe for once I'd see a team win it on the first 3 legs but Iowa State only finished 5th after and they started the final leg 7.21 seconds ahead of Notre Dame and 9.25 seconds ahead of Stanford.
Lol “for once”? Did you even watch the dmr last year?
What yo be smokin man wrote:
fdj wrote:
Grant is a better 3k runner than Yorks, that's not up for debate. Yorks is better than Grant at 800 and mile.
My guess is Fisher could dust Yorks right now (today) in the mile. Absolutely, Yorks would dust Fisher in the 800 all day long. Now let’s take a look at distances where each runner would be able to contend at a high level nationally and internationally and their potential. Yorks 800, mile. Fisher mile, 3km, 5km, and in the future 10km, possibly half and marathon.
Yorks has run 3:53 indoor and was 2nd at USAs.
This was Grant's best ever 1600 effort, and it's almost a full 3 seconds behind Yorks if you adjust for running start.
Neither are competing internationally in anything as of yet. But nationally, Fisher is not competitive at the 1500m.
Student athlete wrote:
Seems kind of slow..... wrote:
My little tiny high school had a kid run 1:52 last year. The greatest athletic university in sports can't get a kid to run any faster? Were all the football players too busy studying?
Do you think your little tiny high school kid could get into Stanford? There lays the challenge that every Stanford coach has - academic entrance requirements. Very few universities hold their athletes to similar entrance requirements of the regular student body - Stanford is one of those very few schools.
Nope. Stanford quietly reduced their admissions score practices in order to get Jim Harbaugh to agree to coach there many years back.
No grant fisher ran great wrote:
Can’t wrote:
Wanna start by saying im a big fisher fan and he is my favorite person to watch run in the ncaa right now.
Is anyone else not particularly impressed by this carry? He ran a 3:54 point chasing all out, and moved too early, and got caught at the line. If u told me before the race that he was getting the stick 7+ down or whatever it was (prob closer to 10) and he got to run clear and free and just hunt for 5-6-7 laps and then kick...id have guessed 3:52 low. He ran a 3:58.low 1600 from a standing start in HS.
Losing this is NOT his fault and i dont want it to come off that way. 3:54 is legit, its obviously not bad at all. However, as previously stated, bayer with a 3:53, York’s, Cheserek, kimani (allegedly), etc have ALL split better,. I know theyre all great runners, but Yorks and Bayer i consider a step behind fisher.
I give todays run a 6/10, he was totally fresh, able to chase everyone, and in very very good shape and healthy (as far as i know). I honestly thought he was gonna run 3:52 or 3:51 when he caught everyone.
Grant Fisher has done nothing that would indicate he would split 3:52 or even the 3:54 he split today.
I think you need have super high expectations for him, but for most us, he hasnt shown great potential at the mile distance.
With that said, I think Bayer and Yorks were legit better during the senior years than great is today at 1600.
>Split 3:54 for a mile in a DMR
>he hasnt shown great potential at the mile distance
Did you eat paint chips as a kid?
no nope no way wrote:
Student athlete wrote:
Do you think your little tiny high school kid could get into Stanford? There lays the challenge that every Stanford coach has - academic entrance requirements. Very few universities hold their athletes to similar entrance requirements of the regular student body - Stanford is one of those very few schools.
Nope. Stanford quietly reduced their admissions score practices in order to get Jim Harbaugh to agree to coach there many years back.
Ever thought of why the likes of Harbaugh and Vin left Stanford. I’ll give you a hint... because the new President upped the entrance requirements. They read the writing on the wall and set out for perhaps greener but most definitely dumber pastures.
10 months have passed and I am still sick over the DMR. How do teams with 1:52 PR 800 guys win and place high at nationals? Iowa State was so far ahead that I went to get a water thinking it was over. I came back and saw the guys closing and then, crap. I think Iowa State, Oregon, Wisconsin, ND, Indiana and others are going to all run faster than ND did last year.