Scorpion_runner:
Although there might be some truth about the percentage, don't you think they train with the same amounts?
Kipsang was sick before getting to the starting line both time he DNF, so the percentage didn't really affect him. It sure didn't affect him when he finished 2nd in NY last year.
Kipsang might beat Kipchoge this year ... we'll see.
blarg wrote:
Les wrote:If I beat you in a mile 9 times out of 10, but your PR is 3:59 while mine is 4:00, are you honestly going to claim to be the better athlete?
I would. That's what's great about running. There's no debate over who is better. It's the guy who is faster.
So in the 100 metres this year, Coleman was better than baker?
UA Runner wrote:
Why do people consider him the greatest marathoner ever? People have short memories. Breaking2 not withstanding, he has the third best marathon of all time. And one could argue that he is so dominant now mainly because the competition isn't as strong. Bekele, Kipsang, Kimetto are getting past their prime. Who else is there? A random Guye Adola almost beat Kipchoge last year at Berlin in his first marathon ever.
One could argue that Kipsang's nearly solo 2:03 in Tokyo, or Geoffrey Mutai's 2:05.05 at NYC were more impressive than a handful of non record setting performances at London and Berlin. Kimetto's 2:03 in Chicago.. all are performances that are unmatched.
Had Breaking2 not happened, not sure Kipchoge would have nearly the hype.
Really? Has their been no competition in the last 3-4 yrs in marathoning? Kipchoge has won what like 10 out of 11? Who was better? G. Mutai was very hot for a couple years and what was his stiffest competition? E.Mutai? Gebremariam? Mosop?
I don't think there's any question Kipchoge is the GOAT. I don't think it's even close.
Jim Cantore wrote:
runhills wrote:
Yes! The weather looks great on race day and Kipchoge is in top shape. 2:02:48!!
Dewpoint in the mid 40s and clouds.
Sounds good to me.
Here is a tweet I did using accuweather's info.
https://twitter.com/letsrundotcom/status/1040267166896062464But i love how findmymarath dot com shows the dewpoint. Dewpoint in the 40s is great. Here is a screenshot from their site.
http://www.letsrun.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/dewpoint-low-400x307.pnghttp://findmymarathon.com/weather/berlin-marathon-weather.phpanti wrote:
i'm so sick of kipchoge.he gonna lose this time.he talks like he is the good guy in long distance running but he cheat about his age.i think he is around 38-40 years old.guess what kipchoge? you gonna lose this time because your body cannot handle racing fast pace anymore
"Cheat about his age"? Are you saying that he gets an unfair advantage if he lies about his age?
He's actually 43 wrote:
Nike told them. That's why. You'd be surprised how many "Breaking 2" fans there are that run 10 miles a week and spout off their opinions about running.
Tell us, how many are there?
48yroldrunna wrote:
UA Runner wrote:
Why do people consider him the greatest marathoner ever? People have short memories. Breaking2 not withstanding, he has the third best marathon of all time. And one could argue that he is so dominant now mainly because the competition isn't as strong. Bekele, Kipsang, Kimetto are getting past their prime. Who else is there? A random Guye Adola almost beat Kipchoge last year at Berlin in his first marathon ever.
One could argue that Kipsang's nearly solo 2:03 in Tokyo, or Geoffrey Mutai's 2:05.05 at NYC were more impressive than a handful of non record setting performances at London and Berlin. Kimetto's 2:03 in Chicago.. all are performances that are unmatched.
Had Breaking2 not happened, not sure Kipchoge would have nearly the hype.
Really? Has their been no competition in the last 3-4 yrs in marathoning? Kipchoge has won what like 10 out of 11? Who was better? G. Mutai was very hot for a couple years and what was his stiffest competition? E.Mutai? Gebremariam? Mosop?
I don't think there's any question Kipchoge is the GOAT. I don't think it's even close.
I don't that think that is unquestioned. I put Haile ahead of him. 2 WRs, 4 straight berlin marathon wins, 9 marathon victories. Not having a WR is a huge knock against him. Haile could have had more marathon victories but he went after the WR in every race. Some feel that Kipchoge plays it safe when it comes to the WR.
No Olympic marathon medals. 4 DNFs. Kipchoge has already surpassed Geb's marathon career.
Really wanted to vote yes... but after so many times thinking he’s gonna get it. I had to vote no...
I think this is his last chance too.
Scorpion_runner wrote:
48yroldrunna wrote:
Really? Has their been no competition in the last 3-4 yrs in marathoning? Kipchoge has won what like 10 out of 11? Who was better? G. Mutai was very hot for a couple years and what was his stiffest competition? E.Mutai? Gebremariam? Mosop?
I don't think there's any question Kipchoge is the GOAT. I don't think it's even close.
I don't that think that is unquestioned. I put Haile ahead of him. 2 WRs, 4 straight berlin marathon wins, 9 marathon victories. Not having a WR is a huge knock against him. Haile could have had more marathon victories but he went after the WR in every race. Some feel that Kipchoge plays it safe when it comes to the WR.
No way. Kipchoge has beaten all of the best marathoners of this generation. Geb was not able to do that in his generation (could never win London because of Limo, Wanjiru, Lel, the Khannouchi/Tergat year, etc.)
Scorpion_runner wrote:
I don't that think that is unquestioned. I put Haile ahead of him. 2 WRs, 4 straight berlin marathon wins, 9 marathon victories. Not having a WR is a huge knock against him. Haile could have had more marathon victories but he went after the WR in every race. Some feel that Kipchoge plays it safe when it comes to the WR.
Putting Geb ahead of Kipchoge is laughable.
Geb was ranked #1 in the world in the marathon 1 time by TFN. Kipchoge has been world ranked #1 by TFN for the last 4 straight years.
When I went to college, haileg was the password to my ATM. That being said, I never understood the selection of races during his marathon career. He always ran Berlin and Dubai when the quality of those fields wasn't very good. Yes from 2007 to -2010 he had a great run in Berlin -Dubai, winning Berlin-Dubai-Berlin-Dubai-Berlin-Dubai (6 straight races). But he never won London and he skipped the 2008 Olympics.
It would be nice if female WR attempt was something to push for/mentioned... Female WR 10k and half was set recently
rojo wrote:
Scorpion_runner wrote:
I don't that think that is unquestioned. I put Haile ahead of him. 2 WRs, 4 straight berlin marathon wins, 9 marathon victories. Not having a WR is a huge knock against him. Haile could have had more marathon victories but he went after the WR in every race. Some feel that Kipchoge plays it safe when it comes to the WR.
Putting Geb ahead of Kipchoge is laughable.
Geb was ranked #1 in the world in the marathon 1 time by TFN. Kipchoge has been world ranked #1 by TFN for the last 4 straight years.
When I went to college, haileg was the password to my ATM. That being said, I never understood the selection of races during his marathon career. He always ran Berlin and Dubai when the quality of those fields wasn't very good. Yes from 2007 to -2010 he had a great run in Berlin -Dubai, winning Berlin-Dubai-Berlin-Dubai-Berlin-Dubai (6 straight races). But he never won London and he skipped the 2008 Olympics.
That's because he chased WR, and Berlin and Dubai are faster courses. That's why. That's all Haile cared about, and that
resonates with me in a certain way.
There are 2 knocks against Kipchoge. No WR
And no Hilly or harder courses.
Kipsang won NY, proving that he can run fast and run tough. And he has beaten Kipchoge, breaking the WR while doing it.
I put Kipsang and Haile ahead of him. That's just my personal taste.
I think in order to be called the greatest ever. You have to have the wins, WR, and diverse courses.
Kipchoge has the wins, but is missing in the other areas.
reed wrote:
age cheat wrote:
Not likely to break the record simply because he is just a little too old. Just a tiny bit past his prime. His true age is what, 39 years old now? He was definitely in 2:03 shape two years ago, but right now I think he's more like 2:04.
you up for a bet then? I'll take 40 year old Eliud over anybody
Yeah age is irrelevant here, his London performance this year showed he was comfortably in 2:02 WR shape then, and nothing has changed now.
i order to be the greatest off all time you have to be complete across the board.
Why do we call Jordan the goat?
He has everything: NCAA title, Nba titles, 7-0 in title games( including the ncaa ), scoring titles, defensive player of the year, two 3-peats.
Kobe, Lebron, etc are empty in a lot of areas and not complete across the board, so the can't compare.
Impossible to call someone the GOAT when they are incomplete.
Kipsang is actually more complete than Kipchoge: WR, only man to run 2:03 four times, victories, wins on fast and slow courses, beat his peers.
Kipchoge has the victories ( and has beaten his peers), but again, no WR, no tough slow courses. He get those under his belt, then, yeah, he is the GOAT. How would kipchoge do in boston or new york? we don't know.
Bummed it starts that early in the morning for me. I'm pulling for both Dibaba & Kipchoge.
Dibaba bae
You're showing your ignorance of the sport. Kipchoge has beaten all challengers from his generation, including avenging his one loss to Kipsang. Haile couldn't win London or the Olympics.
Haile ducked the best to chase times. Look at who he beat in his wins vs. who Kipchoge beat in his wins and it is embarrassingly lopsided.
Kipchoge doesn't need a WR. He's the GOAT marathoner at this point.
Right now the prediction says ~7km/h of wind. What I haven't seen commented is it's direction. It's going to be head wind only in the first part of the race.right before km 30 there's a turn and it should be tail wind with some parts of lateral wind. So it's not that bad.
Scorpion_runner wrote:
i order to be the greatest off all time you have to be complete across the board.
Why do we call Jordan the goat?
He has everything: NCAA title, Nba titles, 7-0 in title games( including the ncaa ), scoring titles, defensive player of the year, two 3-peats.
Kobe, Lebron, etc are empty in a lot of areas and not complete across the board, so the can't compare.
Impossible to call someone the GOAT when they are incomplete.
Kipsang is actually more complete than Kipchoge: WR, only man to run 2:03 four times, victories, wins on fast and slow courses, beat his peers.
Kipchoge has the victories ( and has beaten his peers), but again, no WR, no tough slow courses. He get those under his belt, then, yeah, he is the GOAT. How would kipchoge do in boston or new york? we don't know.
Cannot seriously mention kobe's name in a conversation about the nba goat. Just top ten, maybe. Chamberlain, russell, Shaq, several others all dwarf his achievements
george oscar bluth wrote:
You're showing your ignorance of the sport. Kipchoge has beaten all challengers from his generation, including avenging his one loss to Kipsang. Haile couldn't win London or the Olympics.
Haile ducked the best to chase times. Look at who he beat in his wins vs. who Kipchoge beat in his wins and it is embarrassingly lopsided.
Kipchoge doesn't need a WR. He's the GOAT marathoner at this point.
WR DO MATTER.
In order to be the goat, there can be no negatives against you, and there are some negatives against Kipchoge.
Kipsang and Kipchoge have beaten each other, but Kip beat Kipchoge while breaking the WR. That puts that win on a higher level.
Yes Kipchoge has beaten his peers, but so has Kipsang.
Kipchoge is not HANDS DOWN the goat, no matter how much you want to make him that. HE is one of the greatest marathon runners to ever do it. But there are still some accomplishments that are missing from his legacy.
Now if he wins this weekend, and breaks the WR, then it would be hard to say he is not the GOAT. He would pretty much be complete as a marathon runner. That would seal the deal.
However, what if Kipsang wins and breaks the WR while doing it?.. That would be 2 wins over Kipchoge, each time breaking the WR.
Kipchoge being the GOAT is not even close to being a forgone conclusion at the moment. You ask Kipchoge about the WR, and he talks around it, never direct. He plays it safe on and off the road. Something about that does not sit right with me, especially when runners like Kip do not shy away about going for the WR. I like Kipchoge a lot, but runners like Kipsang, Keitany, Haile, Paula, they just resonate with me on a different level.
We all watch running and enjoy running for different reasons. I don't like one trick ponies ( not referring to kipchoge), nor do I like cheats, and WRs are very high on my list. No one lucks up and breaks a WR. That is a pure illustration of victory, and it is an extremely rare moment. It means that you were/are the fastest human being in the universe at that particular distance, and no one can say otherwise until your time has been broken.
