Adidas Sub2 on Running Warehouse

I've run a marathon in Wave Universe 5. When I look at the sub2, I can only think of how much sole I would like to cut off the heel and middle part.

If we believe the Adidas representative from that video from earlier in this thread, they "guarantee" it for four marathons. That's €50 per marathon. Count one out to test the shoes. That's 200 euros for three races. If they really make you gain, say, one minute, I'm fine with flimsy shoes. But the price is really high.

I can't wait to get these on. I'm 170lbs, and going for about a 2:45 marathon in a few months. They are likely not enough for a full marathon for me, unless the light boost really is that good.

I love the adios, but this looks like it really will have a faster feel.

How much shoe you need depends on your weight and foot strike, right? I'm 133 lbs, midfoot striker, and have used versions of the Lunaracer (6.2 oz, also minimal drop like the Sub2) for all five of my marathons. Sure, my legs felt beat up afterward, but doesn't everyone? During my marathon training days, I was doing long runs in the Lunaracers, NB Fresh Foams, Nike Frees, and it didn't matter the shoe, after 15-20 miles on pavement, I felt wrecked and ready for the ice bath. So I'm skeptical of any claim that I'll feel better after a long run, but I would take any performance improvement

I did recently buy a pair of the Adizero Adios 3's, and noticed how much harder the Boost midsole is than the Lunarlon. Feels like more energy return, but I especially notice my feet feeling more tired after running in the Adios vs. the Lunaracer. (The NB Fresh Foam was also really hard at first, hated them for at least the first 200 miles. ;-)

All that to say, if Boost Light feels as hard as regular Boost (like the Adios), not sure I'd love that feel enough for an unproven performance benefit. So especially after the Nov. study came out, I'm holding out/saving up for the Vaporfly 4% when I get back to the marathon. . . .

Just asking for a friend: what kind of glue would one use on the Sub2's TPU? (Say your friend feels like cutting a slice off the midsole, but would like to keep all of the outsole.)

forcerunner wrote:

slo-twitch wrote:

Running warehouse said the largest size that they are going to carry is 11.5. I think this may be the largest size that Adidas is making in the sub2. It’s not a matter of running warehouse selling out of size 12, they never had it to begin with.

11.5 is the largest my store is going to carry as well so that could be the case.

I will weep if they cut the sizes off half a size too small for me. I’m only 5’11” ffs; I’m no giant.

I really hope this turns out correct. I love everything in Boston boost except the 10mm drop.

Boost is not hard. It is very soft (try a pair of Ultraboost, and you´ll see what I mean). Most Adidas shoes only have a part of the midsole made of Boost. The rest is made of more traditional material. Adios feels firm because there is no Boost in the forefoot.

The Sub2 feels much firmer than the Takumi Sen (that feels quite soft in my opinion).

Me too. Need size 12. Why not!

Adios boost is far better. More cushioned and more responsive.

I suspect it will last longer too.

Max 11.5 size? wrote:

Me too. Need size 12. Why not!

Not looking for a new racing shoe, but maybe me too when the time comes, depending on the actual sizing. My normal size is 11.5, such as for the old (not Boost) Adios 2 that I have. But I'm 12.5 in the Takumi Sen.

In the UK this shoe is retailing at £159.95!

The Zoomfly is £129.95.

WTF!

Oh dear wrote:

In the UK this shoe is retailing at £159.95!

The Zoomfly is £129.95.

WTF!

I’m shocked by your shock.

Oh dear wrote:

In the UK this shoe is retailing at £159.95!

The Zoomfly is £129.95.

WTF!

Do you think the price is too high or too low? because the sub2 is the top of the Adidas line, the Zoomfly isn't the top of the Nike line...

The future of racing shoes is all about the plate. Nike has shown that with the Fly and 4%. I train some in the standard Fly and it's easily the fastest, most efficient shoe I've run in, even though it's a weighty 8.2 ounces in size 10. The design and placement of the plate is key, and that's it. The faster you run, the more efficiency and "pop" you get from the plate. There's nothing special about the rest of the shoe. I've never tried the 4% and probably won't -- overkill for me.

Every other manufacturer would be stupid if they weren't developing shoes with similar plates in them. They just have to call it some new design so they don't get sued by Nike. I think you'll see lots of new shoes with plates maybe late this year, certainly in 2019.

carbon fiber innovation in running shoes is nothing new - Mizuno and reebok worked with carbon in the early 90's, adidas with carbon around the year 2000, even Scott has used carbon in running shoes recently - Nike's latest model and overall design is an evolution of what's been out there for some time

Well they are out and officially capped at 11.5. Idiotic. I was really looking forward to buying a pair, too.

well,, wrote:

Boost is not hard. It is very soft (try a pair of Ultraboost, and you´ll see what I mean). Most Adidas shoes only have a part of the midsole made of Boost. The rest is made of more traditional material. Adios feels firm because there is no Boost in the forefoot.

This is all wrong. Boost is like any other foam. It isn't inherently soft or hard; it can be produced in varying levels of firmness. Also, Adidas Boost shoes (unlike Saucony until recently) are all boost, other than the insole. Adios is also all boost, including in the forefoot.

Of course adidas may have produced more sub 2 shoes than Nike produced Vaporfly 4%, but I noticed running warehouse still has 4+ available in all sizes. No selling out in 1 minute like the Vaporfly 4%

Sub 2 may be as fast as Vaporfly, but they have not marketed very well

Sub2 likely only looks appealing to elite/sub elite runners (0.1 % of all runners)