Official 2016 Shanghai DL Live Discussion Thread

Now is that so? wrote:

Is that so? wrote:

If it's not interesting for you now, then why have you stuck around through the African domination of the last, I don't know, few decades or so?

The last few decades? How much do you know about track?

In the Olympic 800 meters, from 1996 to 2004 the gold medals were won by Rodal, then Schumann, then by Borza...none of them African..

Yes, you're right. Never mind Yifter or El G or Morceli or Konchellah or Ruto or Bile or Boulami or Ngeny or Geb or Lagat or Ereng or Komen or Kirui or Aouita or Bitok or Tanui or Bayisa or any of the MANY other Africans who were winning Olympic and world championship medals at every event from 800-10000 in the 1980s-2004. Since a few white guys won the Olympic 800 for a short stretch, it's like the Africans weren't even there yet!

Is that so? wrote:

Now is that so? wrote:

The last few decades? How much do you know about track?

In the Olympic 800 meters, from 1996 to 2004 the gold medals were won by Rodal, then Schumann, then by Borza...none of them African..

Yes, you're right. Never mind Yifter or El G or Morceli or Konchellah or Ruto or Bile or Boulami or Ngeny or Geb or Lagat or Ereng or Komen or Kirui or Aouita or Bitok or Tanui or Bayisa or any of the MANY other Africans who were winning Olympic and world championship medals at every event from 800-10000 in the 1980s-2004. Since a few white guys won the Olympic 800 for a short stretch, it's like the Africans weren't even there yet!

And last but not least that "Briton" Mohammad Farah.

not worth the trip to China to run 1:48, but Nick Symmonds at 1:48 in mid May is very much on track to make the US team at the Trials in, I assume, over a month from now. He'll be in 1:46 shape by Pre and then 1:44 at the Trials, as usual.

Booed buddy wrote:

Prophet wrote:

Symmonds 1:48.39

Slagowski>Symmonds???

I don't like Nick, but it was a long flight to China and Nick never races the well in May. But I suspect that Nick may be done.

Is about right. I've seen him stink it up at Penn Relays in US vs the World then have his usual national championship, strong diamond league season. Guy knows when to peak. Manzano is the same

Has Makhloufi ever beaten Kiprop or nah

Symmonds was making excuses before the race. Saying it would be an "unforgiving rust buster". Someone who cared about track would have got the rust buster out of the way before this race, someone who cared about hurting the amount they'd get from their tattoo wouldn't. You can guess which one Symmonds is.

It should get more interesting when Kenya is banned for non-compliance and nations with more sophisticated anti-anti-doping programs get their day in the sun.

We updated the 800 article with this quote from Rudisha:

"I am so upset! I lost 2 seconds because of the start. There were high jumpers in the lane and they start[ed the race]," said Rudisha after the race.

webby wrote:

It should get more interesting when Kenya is banned for non-compliance and nations with more sophisticated anti-anti-doping programs get their day in the sun.

That would not be interesting at all.

Leopardly wrote:

Has Makhloufi ever beaten Kiprop or nah

Big Mak (in)famously beat EVERYBODY, Kiprop included, in London 2012. It was a bad day for Kiprop and the other Kenyans, but Mak did indeed win convincingly.

His entire strategy at the world champs last summer was based on change of pace - slow down the race then out kick everyone. He won the gold doing this...

Coach.. wrote:

Where is the new Komen Geb Tergat Bekele

They all seemed to appear before the biological passport

Just like all really fast marathoners...oh, wait...

If you were a professional runner making very little money you'd go race where you could get it. Symmonds has even started a business. Most runners work at shoe stores and live in poverty. See what you can do on $20-25k a year....

Mrr82 wrote:

Symmonds was making excuses before the race. Saying it would be an "unforgiving rust buster". Someone who cared about track would have got the rust buster out of the way before this race, someone who cared about hurting the amount they'd get from their tattoo wouldn't. You can guess which one Symmonds is.

Why didn't Su run?

Did Collins just set a 100m masters WR? I've started a thread here.

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=7290139

Bu bu but... wrote:

His entire strategy at the world champs last summer was based on change of pace - slow down the race then out kick everyone.

He won the gold doing this...

That was a much more gradual change of pace. It's one thing to do it from the front when you can do it slowly on your own terms, it's another to actually respond to someone else's moves where it has to be instant. Rudisha can do the former but not the latter; as shown today if he gets passed on the homestretch there's no chance he's coming back.

That being said, agreed that this race tells us pretty much nothing about his fitness. With this and the false start nonsense in the 110H, the DL organizers really need to put together better organization and have the right guys making these decisions going forward.

Is that so? wrote:

Now is that so? wrote:

The last few decades? How much do you know about track?

In the Olympic 800 meters, from 1996 to 2004 the gold medals were won by Rodal, then Schumann, then by Borza...none of them African..

Yes, you're right. Never mind Yifter or El G or Morceli or Konchellah or Ruto or Bile or Boulami or Ngeny or Geb or Lagat or Ereng or Komen or Kirui or Aouita or Bitok or Tanui or Bayisa or any of the MANY other Africans who were winning Olympic and world championship medals at every event from 800-10000 in the 1980s-2004. Since a few white guys won the Olympic 800 for a short stretch, it's like the Africans weren't even there yet!

Oh yeah, absolutely! Never mind Cacho, Ovett, Cruz, Coe, Walker, Vasala, Baumann, Viren, Cova, Baldini, Young-Cho, Bordin, Lopes, Cierpinksi or MANY others who were winning in the last few decades! Yeah, some African domination. Face it, its really the last 5-10 years that doping has really gotten out of control in Africa as far as mid and distance events. Out of control!! and its sad. Same thing that was happening with China and E. Germany a couple of decades ago.

i disagree @habshe went out in 54.17 and closed in 51.67 to run 1:45. that's an abrupt pace change....PLUS, no one was able to respond to the pace change except Tuka. most probably assumed it would be a final 200m sprint that determined the raceit's not like guys are injecting surges at sub 50 second pace in elite 800m races when they are already running 1:43-45 pacemaybe you know something i don't...

habs wrote:

Bu bu but... wrote:

His entire strategy at the world champs last summer was based on change of pace - slow down the race then out kick everyone.

He won the gold doing this...

That was a much more gradual change of pace. It's one thing to do it from the front when you can do it slowly on your own terms, it's another to actually respond to someone else's moves where it has to be instant. Rudisha can do the former but not the latter; as shown today if he gets passed on the homestretch there's no chance he's coming back.

That being said, agreed that this race tells us pretty much nothing about his fitness. With this and the false start nonsense in the 110H, the DL organizers really need to put together better organization and have the right guys making these decisions going forward.

rojo wrote:

We updated the 800 article with this quote from Rudisha:

"I am so upset! I lost 2 seconds because of the start. There were high jumpers in the lane and they start[ed the race]," said Rudisha after the race.

He is just frustrated, high jumpers where there for all athletes not just David.

He wasn't paying attention at the start and over compensated to catch up, no wonder he faded.

Its early in the season,he will be fine and will be the boss we know he is when its time to step up.