Kim Collins 100m Masters WR?!

Faster Master Blaster wrote:

Apparently Collins once described himself as the laziest sprinter around, and never? lifted weights. Well, he's changed, and now does squats with 300lbs when weighing 172, though he doesn't go to parallel (really, no need). FB link showing this is broken unfortunately.

Not only was he lazy, he's effecient too, he was the 2003 worlds champ, but his winning time was only 10.07, 0.0 wind.

His PB is "only" 9.96, so he's slowed down very little, or maybe he's always underperformed, due to...not enuf lifting as i'm sure XFit would suggest.

Collins was born April 5 1976, so 40 years, 9 days.

45+ record is 10.72 by Willie Gault.

Faster Master Blaster wrote:

Well, he's changed, and now does squats with 300lbs when weighing 172, though he doesn't go to parallel (really, no need).

Not breaking parallel puts unnecessary strain on the knees and could eventually lead to injury. Better to do it true to form (CrossFit has some great videos on their homepage about it) and save your body.

Collins already ran 10,09 on 05/07 in Kingston

Aging gracefully wrote:

Faster Master Blaster wrote:

Apparently Collins once described himself as the laziest sprinter around, and never? lifted weights. Well, he's changed, and now does squats with 300lbs when weighing 172, though he doesn't go to parallel (really, no need). FB link showing this is broken unfortunately.

Not only was he lazy, he's effecient too, he was the 2003 worlds champ, but his winning time was only 10.07, 0.0 wind.

His PB is "only" 9.96, so he's slowed down very little, or maybe he's always underperformed, due to...not enuf lifting as i'm sure XFit would suggest.

Various coaches claim you should try to get the most accomplished with the least amount of work, in order to reduce injury potential. If he was winning in 2003 (with some second places in 2002) he/coach prob thought why lift weights if success is achieved without it.

On the other hand, various studies have that strength training reduces frequency if injury and maybe Collins only started strength work once he got older/more injury-prone.

Lemaitre did no/little strength training as well and ran faster than Collins, though he was also trying to get an engineering degree and maybe just didn't have time.

Stop the crazy kenyan wrote:

Collins already ran 10,09 on 05/07 in Kingston

Well spotted, 2 days past his 40th. 1.0 m/s wind was probably the main diff.

Sub 10 still possible.

There is a chance he goes sub 10 at 40 years old. So clean that guy. Its a shame everyone else is dirty.

At the 1983 world champs (when Collins was 7 years old), Carl Lewis won the gold in 10.07. Silver was 10.21...

At the time, we thought Lewis was amazing...

Is track and shoe technology so much better now?

In 2016, a 40 year old will run faster than Lewis did in Helsinki...

(Obvious distance) runners are funny when talking about weight training. 315 lbs (no one squats 300) for a 172 lb guy. There is nothing impressive about that . . . unless you're doing sets of 20. Hell, the rule of thumb for having a strong bench is twice your body weight, so not even close to that for squats I would hope a good sprinter could do all day.

Tuctdtcdctf wrote:

At the 1983 world champs (when Collins was 7 years old), Carl Lewis won the gold in 10.07. Silver was 10.21...

At the time, we thought Lewis was amazing...

Is track and shoe technology so much better now?

In 2016, a 40 year old will run faster than Lewis did in Helsinki...

Not the shoes, it's the cleats.

Faster Master Blaster wrote:

Collins was born April 5 1976, so 40 years, 9 days.

45+ record is 10.72 by Willie Gault.

You better check this...

Mike in LA wrote:

(Obvious distance) runners are funny when talking about weight training. 315 lbs (no one squats 300) for a 172 lb guy. There is nothing impressive about that . . . unless you're doing sets of 20. Hell, the rule of thumb for having a strong bench is twice your body weight, so not even close to that for squats I would hope a good sprinter could do all day.

Maybe he is using 20kg bar and 3 plates either side. 308, rounding down?

Or maybe he does like 250 and rounds up.

I think bench is easier than squat in some ways because you don't have to push up your body weight benching.

what??? wrote:

Faster Master Blaster wrote:

Collins was born April 5 1976, so 40 years, 9 days.

45+ record is 10.72 by Willie Gault.

You better check this...

10.72 is what's listed in the Masters website, but I see it's only ratified thru 2015, and doesn't have Collin's new record either. Post other sources if you have em!

Mike in LA wrote:

(Obvious distance) runners are funny when talking about weight training. 315 lbs (no one squats 300) for a 172 lb guy. There is nothing impressive about that . . . unless you're doing sets of 20. Hell, the rule of thumb for having a strong bench is twice your body weight, so not even close to that for squats I would hope a good sprinter could do all day.

lol. Try to find a steroid free lifter in the gym who can bench double their bodyweight. You won't be able to.

squats

Mike in LA wrote:

(Obvious distance) runners are funny when talking about weight training. 315 lbs (no one squats 300) for a 172 lb guy. There is nothing impressive about that . . . unless you're doing sets of 20. Hell, the rule of thumb for having a strong bench is twice your body weight, so not even close to that for squats I would hope a good sprinter could do all day.

Mike, no one stated on this thread that 300 lbs was impressive. The "300 lbs" was a quote from a Charlie Francis website forum which also agreed it was light. Ben Johnson was box squatting 600lbs when he weighed 173, so Collins weight is nothing special. However, considering Collins used to squat zero, i'd say 300lbs is a good improvement, and if the does them with thrusts, it's more than it seems.

seadog 01 wrote:

Mike in LA wrote:

(Obvious distance) runners are funny when talking about weight training. 315 lbs (no one squats 300) for a 172 lb guy. There is nothing impressive about that . . . unless you're doing sets of 20. Hell, the rule of thumb for having a strong bench is twice your body weight, so not even close to that for squats I would hope a good sprinter could do all day.

lol. Try to find a steroid free lifter in the gym who can bench double their bodyweight. You won't be able to.

You don't know much about lifting. There are many clean lifters doing double their body weight in the bench. Are you unaware how much the doping lifters can bench?

Of course, it would be stupid for a sprinter to bench double their body weight. That would be reserved for throwers. It would take too much bulk.

Anuther dwun runer wrote:

Of course, it would be stupid for a sprinter to bench double their body weight. That would be reserved for throwers. It would take too much bulk.

No, not so dumb. Former WR record holder Ben Johnson would bench 2X10X375 which is more than double his weight. But of course, he was doped to the gills, and was a "high responder".

Any hoo, benching double is not so dumb for sprinters, probably uncommon and necessary, but it seemed to work for Ben. Remember, Johnson ran 9.79 while raising has arm in victory with about 10m to go, so he easily could have gone much faster, and that was 28 years ago using inferior spikes and track surfaces.

Talking about Ben Johnson. He ran somewhere between 10.40 to 10.45 in the rounds, quarter finals... In Helsinki in 1983. He didn't make it to the finals.

Why we're sprinters so slow in the early 80s?

Remember, Johnson started taking steroids in 1981.

How can a 40 year old be so much faster than a steroid taking sprinter in the early 80s?