I don't think any chromosome test results have ever been released, but it was divulged that she has internal testes.
baconheart wrote:
Was the XXY determination ever officially reported anywhere? Is it just an educated guess on what transpired at the IAAF?
They only thing I ever heard from her camp was that Semenya identified herself as lesbian.
Rotegoat wrote:
I don't think any chromosome test results have ever been released, but it was divulged that she has internal testes.
baconheart wrote:Was the XXY determination ever officially reported anywhere? Is it just an educated guess on what transpired at the IAAF?
They only thing I ever heard from her camp was that Semenya identified herself as lesbian.
Same question applies, was the "divulged that she has internal testes." "ever officially reported anywhere?". Also, links would be nice.
They would have released the results if he was really a woman but he isn't.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/08/health/athletes-gender-testing/Oh boy, I mean girl. wrote:
Same question applies, was the "divulged that she has internal testes." "ever officially reported anywhere?". Also, links would be nice.
Chris Chavez â€@ChrisChavezSI 1m1 minute ago
Shaunae Miller goes faster than Caster Semenya’s early WL mark (50.74) with a 49.70 for 400m in the Bahamas. #CBBI2016
jkhkdd wrote:
Well there is this way we make one thing that is very much genetically variable fair:
XY athletes compete against XY athletes
and XX athletes compete against XX athletes
It has worked so far.
That's going to give quite an advantage to FtM transgender athletes (as they will be allowed to compete against women).
According to my PhD in physiology/medicine wife, if you have any sort of Y chromosome you compete against men.
It's that simple.
audrey rouget wrote:
Chris Chavez â€@ChrisChavezSI 1m1 minute ago
Shaunae Miller goes faster than Caster Semenya’s early WL mark (50.74) with a 49.70 for 400m in the Bahamas. #CBBI2016
And how did Shaunae do in her 800, less than an hour later, and in her 1500 a while after the 800?
This whole thing is a disgrace because of politics too worried about looking PC. She can compete as long as she is on female hormones, why was there any reason to overturn that? Lets just put asterisks next to the wins of everyone in the sport now. I really am baffled how our entire sport is run by incompetence.
The truth is Caster Semenya is a man no better than a decent state level high school boy. Why dont the other competitors stage a boycott and put an end to this? Sit on the track even and make it front page news. of course they should do this for drug cheats too but who out there has any guts to put themselves on the line to fix things?
People paint someone like Caster as a victim but Caster is no victim. Caster knows whats going on and still flexes like an idiot and acts like a defiant little child during this whole debacle.
Im over this sport. We have all corrupted the f u c k out of it.
Between PEDs and PC-enabled gender-benders, it's a WWF freak show.
I do run run run wrote:
This whole thing is a disgrace because of politics too worried about looking PC. She can compete as long as she is on female hormones, why was there any reason to overturn that? Lets just put asterisks next to the wins of everyone in the sport now. I really am baffled how our entire sport is run by incompetence.
The truth is Caster Semenya is a man no better than a decent state level high school boy. Why dont the other competitors stage a boycott and put an end to this? Sit on the track even and make it front page news. of course they should do this for drug cheats too but who out there has any guts to put themselves on the line to fix things?
People paint someone like Caster as a victim but Caster is no victim. Caster knows whats going on and still flexes like an idiot and acts like a defiant little child during this whole debacle.
Im over this sport. We have all corrupted the f u c k out of it.
I do run run run wrote:
This whole thing is a disgrace because of politics too worried about looking PC. She can compete as long as she is on female hormones, why was there any reason to overturn that? Lets just put asterisks next to the wins of everyone in the sport now. I really am baffled how our entire sport is run by incompetence.
The truth is Caster Semenya is a man no better than a decent state level high school boy. Why dont the other competitors stage a boycott and put an end to this? Sit on the track even and make it front page news. of course they should do this for drug cheats too but who out there has any guts to put themselves on the line to fix things?
People paint someone like Caster as a victim but Caster is no victim. Caster knows whats going on and still flexes like an idiot and acts like a defiant little child during this whole debacle.
Im over this sport. We have all corrupted the f u c k out of it.
Great post.
At least we know what NBC will be covering during the 5 and 10 k's.
This is going to be a PR nightmare for EVERYONE.
Rotegoat wrote:
I don't think any chromosome test results have ever been released, but it was divulged that she has internal testes.
baconheart wrote:
Was the XXY determination ever officially reported anywhere? Is it just an educated guess on what transpired at the IAAF?
They only thing I ever heard from her camp was that Semenya identified herself as lesbian.
Just an FYI for those of you who are suggesting that Caster is XXY, that genotype is typically associated with Klinefelter Syndrome (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klinefelter_syndrome), which typically causes a male phenotype (i.e. male external sex organs). Caster likely has a different condition causing her to be intersex.
I feel sorry for every woman competing against this guy. Are you freaking kidding me he's got pecs not breasts.
http://6000.co.za/the-caster-semenya-debate/
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/-meter-laeuferin-caster-semenya-sie-ist-wer-sie-ist-1.2622590
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/caster-semenya-saga-will-
not-end-meadows-28548251.html
http://i1.wp.com/www.zkhiphani.co.za/wp-content/uploads/caster-semenya-e1352137734810.jpg
RacingtheCanteloupe wrote:
The Sports Gene has a great section on this.
There are multiple genetic pathways for females to end up with high testosterone levels.
Ugh. Please. Another variation on fictional extraordinary biological feature. Yet somehow nothing comes of these claims.
The IAAF is mute on the topic of lowering the T:E ratio threshold from 4:1 for a reason. Enable doping.
Randall Stephens wrote:
Rotegoat wrote:I don't think any chromosome test results have ever been released, but it was divulged that she has internal testes.
baconheart wrote:
Was the XXY determination ever officially reported anywhere? Is it just an educated guess on what transpired at the IAAF?
They only thing I ever heard from her camp was that Semenya identified herself as lesbian.
Just an FYI for those of you who are suggesting that Caster is XXY, that genotype is typically associated with Klinefelter Syndrome (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klinefelter_syndrome), which typically causes a male phenotype (i.e. male external sex organs). Caster likely has a different condition causing her to be intersex.
I thought she was XY and had androgen insensitivity syndrome (AIS)?
You mean him!
Looks like those androgens are working just swell!
dsgsdfasdfa wrote:
Randall Stephens wrote:Just an FYI for those of you who are suggesting that Caster is XXY, that genotype is typically associated with Klinefelter Syndrome (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klinefelter_syndrome), which typically causes a male phenotype (i.e. male external sex organs). Caster likely has a different condition causing her to be intersex.
I thought she was XY and had androgen insensitivity syndrome (AIS)?
I haven't seen her 800 splits but a 50.7 earlier would probably need to quicken a fully rested 800 by at least 1s, nearer 2s
1'58.46 off -ve splits is incredible
All I have seen is 61+ so it could have been 61.0 to 61.9
A rough formula to convert to 2s +ve splits is :
( ( 2nd lap - 1st lap ) - 2 ) * (1/3)
with 61.0 :
( 57.46 - 61.0 - 2 ) * (1/3) = -1.85s ->1'56.62
with 61.9 :
( 56.56 - 61.9 - 2 ) * (1/3) = -2.45s ->1'56.01
Let's call it 1'56-low if 2s +ve split race
Knock off 1 to 2s for 400 before & we are talking current 800 of
1'54-low / 1'55-low
Call it current 800 shape of :
1'54-mid/high
No one is beating that in games...
thisiswrong wrote:
I feel sorry for every woman competing against this guy. Are you freaking kidding me he's got pecs not breasts.
http://6000.co.za/the-caster-semenya-debate/http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/-meter-laeuferin-caster-semenya-sie-ist-wer-sie-ist-1.2622590http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/caster-semenya-saga-will-not-end-meadows-28548251.html
http://i1.wp.com/www.zkhiphani.co.za/wp-content/uploads/caster-semenya-e1352137734810.jpg
I love the photo of her in a tuxedo. Identity isn't defined by how someone dresses. But it's funny she identifies her style as a mans style. By embracing her manliness it puts her at odds with intuitive sense, and highlights the differences she has. And makes the main argument that she belongs a political one.
It's seemingly a good argument that everyone should belong in the olympics. But that changes the Olympic spirit from an athletic performance, to a human performance, and takes the sport out of track.
If caster isn't going to act like a woman, socially she won't be seen as the women's champion. And a medal to her isn't going to be seen as an athletic medal, but a social medal. Maybe that is the best entertainment track can offer. But it redefines track as something you don't take athletically serious because the performances have no boundaries.
