List of Abnormal Results by Country - Russia 415, Morocco 82, Kenya 77, USA 32, Britain 12

Flat Stanley wrote:

Is this list the number of abnormal results or the number of athletes? When it says USA 32 is that 32 Americans or 32 abnormal results from say 5 or 6 athletes?

Does anyone have the data of how many tests were conducted for each country to result in the number of abnormal results?

Obviously athletes from some countries are tested significantly more than others. Is for example Kenya worse than it appears as they have less testing? The numbers for say USA and the UK are already low in comparison but does taking account of the fact they likely did more testing than other nations mean in comparison they actually have a much smaller percentage of abnormal results when the number of tests is taken into account?

There are lots of unanswered questions. The reported statistics are far from sufficient.

Chris Derrick has chimed in, surprisingly with a note of caution:

I've got some thoughts that have been germinating on the Times/ARD doping story. I think the story encapsulates the anti-doping prob to a T.

Namely, w/ indirect testing we can see there is a big problem in aggregate, but it becomes really hard to identify indiv cases w/ certainty.

There are surely clean athletes who registered 'suspicious' values by of altitude tents or weird hormonal things or what have you.

So if we lower the threshold of proof to catch more dopers, we're more likely to sweep innocent people along with them. Which to me is worse

So that raises a couple of Q's:

1. Do we ban things that in and of themselves are fine, but might confuse the tests (ie altitude tents)?

2. In absence of perfect testing, what can clean athletes do to gain fans' trust? Any ideas appreciated.

Anyways, sorry for all the tweets and hopefully @Scienceofsport will correct me if I've horribly bungled the science.

The #1 thing athletes can do to gain fan trust is continue talking about the doping problem. Not just 'doping is bad, m'kay'. Tell us what is going on.

Ethiopia = zero?

If so, what say you about Dibaba's World Record?

How many of these can we identify via later guilt, e.g. Alptekin and Chernova? Pishchalnikova was disqualified and banned for a second offence in 2013, when the news of 8 positives broke, but the IAAF is now appealing against Turkey clearing Alptekin and Chernova's ban being backdated around the 2011 WCs (Ennis' lost gold).

Adding in the 800m.. there's not much space left to make up the 10 suspicious readings, and we haven't even looked at the men's side yet.. (or the other non-medallists, as the Russians in the 1500m have been subsequently banned, including the original 4th placed finisher Tomashova, 37 and back for more after a first ban..).

Baddeley.. he was runner up in the 2005 Summer Universiade - beaten by a Ukrainian? One with a WC bronze.. PS. It's a shame they didn't nail the 2005 1500m WCs.. women's top 4 all later banned, Ramzi the 800/1500 double.. they did nail all the Soviet field eventers in 2013.

On the flip side, the three sisters and their cousin (Tulu) have basically won everything since 1992, along with Defar, except for when a random doper pips them to the flag.

The list is definitely incomplete ...

but is this on purpose ,

with prerequisit that no ethiopians show

up on list .the darlings of iaaf.

Pretty sure that afew ethiopians rocking

a mid/high 50 hct ...it all smells fishy .

What journo's are doing counting ..

Clearly not bothered by ethiopians.

If look at picture of blurred names it

contains a female ethiopian...........who.

problem solved ,no !!!

where are top few men and bekele.

definitly think wont find him regardless

one of iaaf's protecterati.

Russia 415, Ukraine 102, Morocco 82, Spain 81, Kenya 77, Turkey 52, Greece 42, Belarus 42, Romania 32, Portugal 32, USA 32, Britain 12

Interesting that Ethopia is not on the map.

Spain Portugal Morocco Algeria combo, they came out of no where to become dominant in distance running. It's a fake phenomena. Sure there were a couple of legit guys but not many.

Then you have the iron curtain crowd which PED programs are a given as the Tour de France used to be.

USA and Britain chime in at the bottom of the list, probably because they have nutraceuticals and al-sal grey zone therapies plus they've got state of the art training methods right now.

consider how many athletes each country has that were tested.

i THINK it means all the suspicious tests,from the country,not literaly 415 russians,and 102 ukrainians,for example.i say i think,because im not sure.From what ive read,there were 800 athletes likely blood doping,out of 5000 who were tested.These were in events from 800 metres to the marathon,and doesnt include steroids.Also if you add up all those numbers it adds up to 1001 not 800.this tells me more than one test was carried out on suspect athletes.there were probably 800 athletes who had suspect reading,but 1600 tests done.Ive come across date online which says 55 countries have suspicious athletes,brazil,ethiopia,france,japan,eritrea,uganda,netherlands among them.

I havent managed to find the article,unfortunatly.Its more likely that a little over 200 russian athletes had faulty readings........or im guessing thats how it is.800 athletes out of 5000 is pretty high,but i reckon a lot more kenyansand ethiopians are guilty than that.

i read up on this,and does it mean 415 russian and 102 ukrainian athletes have biological passport problems?or is it just the amount of tests,that are faulty? it also mentions 32 americans,12 british,and 77 kenyans.could it be,that around 200 russian athletes are doping,and 415 tests came back suspect? whats your take on this,wejo?

ive found something similar,another article,which names all the countries on that entire list,including 11% of kenyans,10%of ethiopians,30% or russians and lots more.ill post it,if i can.