Maggie Vessey's coach rips into Rose Monday

suzy qqq wrote:

I was an 800m runner and I did completely different workouts than the distance girls during xc.

Of course you did, princess.

Rose Monday is not a bad coach. I think she is very good at developing female college runners in the 2:05 to 2:10 range. She knows something about the 800 because she ran that event, and she hangs around Gags and others who coach that event.

But Rose is not cut out to coach the sub 2:00 female runner because she doesn't have the coaching instincts that make a good coach great. I am not ripping on Rose Monday at all. But not everyone is cut out to coach world class runners and Olympians.

What is going on with Laura Roesler?

Has Rose Monday ruined her?

Hingle McCringleberry wrote:

suzy qqq wrote:

I was an 800m runner and I did completely different workouts than the distance girls during xc.

Of course you did, princess.

I'm not sure why you posted that.

It is totally common for 800 runners to train differently than the XC team during XC. And there are some that train w/ the XC team (Wheating, I reckin').

Greg Brock didn't 'rip into Rose Monday,' even though he would have been justified in doing so.

Maggie's decision to go with Rose Monday was a mistake. I'm sure Maggie was misled at the time. Who knows who was whispering in her ear.

It's obvious from her return to form that she would have been better off spending those 'lost' 2-3 years with Brock instead of Monday.

I expected to see some buzz about her Hoka (Oxy) 800 last Thursday. She went to the lead (extremely rare for her) and held off Jenny Simpson the last 100. I know Simpson is a 1500 runner, but she usually beats everyone the last 100.

Lip Kitten wrote:

pilbooster wrote:

Yes, injury, from what appears to be quite different training for her: 3xmile type stuff when Roesler primarily did sprint-oriented 800m training at Oregon. Coaching 101: don't do anything radically different immediately with an already successful athlete.

I agree. Coaches can have huge egos, and the temptation to remold the athlete with "their" system is hard to resist.

That happens a lot; it is hard for coaches to break away from their orientation and be completely objective. I have sent H.S. 400/800 types to colleges that immediately put them on the XC team and 800/mile type training. The kid ends up spending most of their college career trying to get back down to their H.S. times. Coaches assume because a kid was a decent H.S. 3.5k XC runner off of 25mpw, that he can contribute to a XC team running 80mpw and racing 8k/10k and that they are going to make this kid a better half miler by interjecting more mileage.

The fact of the matter is, the kid was a good half miler in H.S. because he was a good 400m runner and was a decent in H.S. XC runner simply because he was a good overall athlete and mentally game enough to string together a couple of 5:30 miles.

looking wrote:

The Animal Within wrote:

There's some bitterness there. Another coach poached his athlete when she was at the top of her game. Kind of expected. Good to see him speak honestly unlike too many in the sport today.

I always kind of felt Vessey left on false promises and Monday was behind that positive drug test (that wasn't really positive). I think that coach deserves to have some darts thrown her way. If nothing else for bad mouthing a coach that took someone to a #1 ranking.

It always struck me as strange, her positive test, because Rose Monday was Regina Jacob's training partner.

Also remember that when Rose was a competitive runner in the early 80's, she trained with the LA Naturite Track Club, coached by the infamous Chuck Debus...........who is now banned as far as I recall. Not that it implicates her, but one never knows.

She also trained with Regina Jacobs in the early 2000's

OLD SMTC SOB wrote:

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Also remember that when Rose was a competitive runner in the early 80's, she trained with the LA Naturite Track Club, coached by the infamous Chuck Debus...........who is now banned as far as I recall. Not that it implicates her, but one never knows.

Roesler should be top 3 in the US 800m. Is she still in the sport?

notrump wrote:

Roesler should be top 3 in the US 800m. Is she still in the sport?

I doubt top-3 in her first full season as a pro. Think about who the current top-3 are, they are all 1:57 types, with another set of 1:58 types right behind them. I thinks Roesler is the future, I expect her to take some lumps for a few years as she works her way into the system like all of the other girls did. Right now she is a 2 flat type and 1:59 on a good day, which makes her an NCAA star, but as a world class athlete, she is entry level.

She ran 1:59.04 at the end of a very long double season before Monday got a hold of her. She should have been solidly 1:58 in 2015, 1:57 in good hands. She has as good of wheels as any other 800 at the pro level. It will be interesting what happens this season.

TrackCoach wrote:

notrump wrote:

Roesler should be top 3 in the US 800m. Is she still in the sport?

I doubt top-3 in her first full season as a pro. Think about who the current top-3 are, they are all 1:57 types, with another set of 1:58 types right behind them. I thinks Roesler is the future, I expect her to take some lumps for a few years as she works her way into the system like all of the other girls did. Right now she is a 2 flat type and 1:59 on a good day, which makes her an NCAA star, but as a world class athlete, she is entry level.

TrackCoach wrote:

notrump wrote:

Roesler should be top 3 in the US 800m. Is she still in the sport?

I doubt top-3 in her first full season as a pro. Think about who the current top-3 are, they are all 1:57 types, with another set of 1:58 types right behind them. I thinks Roesler is the future, I expect her to take some lumps for a few years as she works her way into the system like all of the other girls did. Right now she is a 2 flat type and 1:59 on a good day, which makes her an NCAA star, but as a world class athlete, she is entry level.

Track Coach: In Laura's senior year in college she came in 2nd at the USAs after a long collegiate season.

Too bad Rose Monday got her injured. Rose is not the coach for Laura.

I hope Laura leaves Rose and finds a coach that can coach athletes at the sub 2 level.

More importantly, why does vessey keep wearing weird facking singlets? Let your racing speak for itself

Laura Roesler looks fit..