Unseen Gabriele Grunewald DQ Footage That USATF Does Not Want You to See For Your Viewing Pleasure

Wow, not DQ-worthy. I do have a problem with runners like Solinsky who consistently hump the runner in front of them with no intention of passing and repeatedly clip their heels. This was obviously just a clumsy mistake.

Hasay was at the outside of Lane 1 down the stretch with about a 1.5 meter gap between her and Rowbury. As she moves towards the rail, and right into GG's line, she slows down and the gap goes out to 2.5 meters very quickly, which causes GG to run into her.

Given the rate at which that gap opened up when Jordan went down to the rail, it certainly looks like a tactical move on Hasay's part. Jordan knew she was fading and needed to get in front of GG to let the gap open to Rowbury.

If you can't win, you help your teammate win without doing anything really slimy. I think Hasay played her part well here. GG made a tactical error by not closing the gap to Rowbury when Hasay let the gap open on the inside, and that led to Hasay giving it her last push to get in front of GG and help Rowbury by creating a little gap before blowing up.

GG goes around a cracked Hasay and zeroes in on the inside line behind Rowbury. Once she gets there she realizes Rowbury it at her max and there is no room to go inside her, so she has to slow down quickly and stutter to get around her. Meanwhile, Rowbury has no hitch in her stride as this happens and appears to be unaware of it.

GG made some tactical mistakes that made her run look sloppy, but there were no violations by any of the girls.

Done deal, the video makes that all obvious.

Now for Bumbalough, WTF USATF, just apologize already.

Rupp fan wrote:

Wow, not DQ-worthy. I do have a problem with runners like Solinsky who consistently hump the runner in front of them with no intention of passing and repeatedly clip their heels. This was obviously just a clumsy mistake.

Totally willing to believe that it was a mistake, but mistakes happen all the time that get called as fouls in all sports. Not every foul called in basketball and soccer is intentional.

Moreover, it was certainly not part of the normal bumping and jostling of the pack (which I agree is 100% fine). The athletes were strung out, GG was going way faster than Hasay, and just plowed right into her. Totally a mistake, but totally avoidable.

And THEN she does or nearly does the same thing to Rowbury! That kind of blows me away. I definitely think she was in the wrong here and needs to work on her racing. She has a killer kick, which is awesome, but she just can't plow into people whenever she unleashes it.

another average american wrote:

[quote]Rupp fan wrote:

Moreover, it was certainly not part of the normal bumping and jostling of the pack (which I agree is 100% fine). The athletes were strung out, GG was going way faster than Hasay, and just plowed right into her. Totally a mistake, but totally avoidable.

And THEN she does or nearly does the same thing to Rowbury! That kind of blows me away. I definitely think she was in the wrong here and needs to work on her racing. She has a killer kick, which is awesome, but she just can't plow into people whenever she unleashes it.

Hasay went down to the rail and then backwards into GG. GG never touched Rowbury.

Are you guys rookies? wrote:

Hasay went down to the rail and then backwards into GG. GG never touched Rowbury.

Right. Forgot people sometimes ran backwards in races! If I accidentally rear-end somebody in my car because they're slowing down and I'm speeding up, I'll claim that they went backwards into me.

No, GG never touched Rowbury but clearly she nearly did (she threw her arms up).

She's just out of control. Whether that ended up as a DQ or not is debatable (obviously) but it's clear that she's out of control.

another average american wrote:

Are you guys rookies? wrote:

Hasay went down to the rail and then backwards into GG. GG never touched Rowbury.

Right. Forgot people sometimes ran backwards in races! If I accidentally rear-end somebody in my car because they're slowing down and I'm speeding up, I'll claim that they went backwards into me.

No, GG never touched Rowbury but clearly she nearly did (she threw her arms up).

She's just out of control. Whether that ended up as a DQ or not is debatable (obviously) but it's clear that she's out of control.

Yes, you are another average american, congratulations.

If you are in a car race and someone gets in front of you and lets off the gas, yeah, that's their fault so run into them as hard as you want.

If you move in on someone and slow down you should expect to get clipped. This ain't Hasay's first rodeo, she knew what she was doing.

Now you want make a deal out of GG NEARLY touching another competitor during a race, even though no other competitor was impeded by that NEAR touch?

Out of control, no. Tactically naive, sure.

Are you guys rookies? wrote:

If you are in a car race and someone gets in front of you and lets off the gas, yeah, that's their fault so run into them as hard as you want.

False. It's the responsibility of the driver not to run into the car in front of them regardless of if the other car slows down. Happened to my family member with me in the car a few years ago. We had a green light, car in front of us suddenly slammed on the brakes, we bumped into her. Our fault, said the police and the judge. (Wish I were making this up, but I'm not.)

Are you guys rookies? wrote:

Now you want make a deal out of GG NEARLY touching another competitor during a race, even though no other competitor was impeded by that NEAR touch?

Yes, I do think it's significant that literally moments after running into somebody (regardless of whose fault it is), she nearly does it again to the point that she has to shorten her stride and throw up her hands to avoid it. Obviously this should have zero bearing on any DQ decision, but I think it's relevant to the idea that she was out of control.

Notice I've never mentioned my opinions about the DQ per se--I'm torn myself--but GG clearly holds the blame here.

I'm talking about a sanctioned car race, not driving around with Miss Daisy. Same for a sanctioned running race, it's a bit different than walking down the sidewalk on a Sunday.

Yes, GG holds the blame of making the tactical error to not close the gap to Rowbury, which let Hasay in front of her. It was not in her control that Hasay immediately slowed down when she got in front of her.

Likewise, GG holds the blame of making another tactical error by coming up on Rowbury's inside thinking she would sit behind her and recover for a moment after closing a considerable gap. When she saw Rowbury was cooked she went around her as fast as possible, and looked sloppy doing it, definitely. That doesn't mean she was out of control. On the contrary, given that she stutter stepped and threw her arms up so she wouldn't touch Rowbury, it's clear she had excellent control of her body.

GG made tactical errors, absolutely.

GG out of control, absolutely not.

Goucher Needles wrote:

Not a letsrun.com apologist, but The USATF hasn't addressed the issue yet. I, for one, hope that the Brojos don't let this die until the Excessive influence of Nike/Salazar is publicly addressed. There's not one new piece of evidence in those videos that would have reversed the decision.

Translation: "My only interest in this situation is to find reasons to support my irrational hatred of Nike/Salazar"

Are you guys rookies? wrote:

Likewise, GG holds the blame of making another tactical error by coming up on Rowbury's inside thinking she would sit behind her and recover for a moment after closing a considerable gap. When she saw Rowbury was cooked she went around her as fast as possible, and looked sloppy doing it, definitely. That doesn't mean she was out of control. On the contrary, given that she stutter stepped and threw her arms up so she wouldn't touch Rowbury, it's clear she had excellent control of her body.

GG made tactical errors, absolutely.

GG out of control, absolutely not.

Eh, now I think we're just debating the semantics of GG's mistake. One thing I will note is that a stutter step and throwing arms up is what you do as a last-ditch effort to prevent a fall or other undesirable consequence and in most cases it's an automatic and not a deliberate reaction. Try falling, or worse, falling into somebody (i.e. Rowbury) and NOT throwing up your hands and stutter stepping. Those movements are not signs of "excellent control" at all; on the contrary they're signs that you've lost control to the point that your subconscious system has to take over for you. Your purposeful movements are no longer sufficient to keep your upright.

I think you got me there! Good points, both of them. We probably agree for the most part here.

These posts and posts a couple of months ago pretty much sum up the end result. That is, Grenewald was disqualified and remains to be disqualified. There is no doubt. Sorry!

yall are crazy. first of all, letsrun is a site very dedicated to giving us world wide running news and I would bet they don't make a ton of money compared to other sites that are leading their sport. So even if they are looking for attention...who cares?

2nd: Them looking for attention is a dumb argument. When they broke the initial story, for those of you unable to read things not on message boards, they said she either should've been DQ'd that day within the rule period, or not at all!!!

This is important, they weren't really even taking sides (although one could guess the ivy johnsons sided with the little guy (GG)).

LRC said that USATF broke its own rules and that is a problem and they should bend the rules for nobody. If you look back you'll see they have gone against corrupt USATF cases like mark steroids guy in the VIP tent at OT in eugene.

So given the opportunity to proceed with their attack/reveal/whateveryouwanttocallit of USATF was not just for attention, but a good follow up story. I know after many years of frequent LRC visits that I shouldn't expect much from you guys, but let's not criticize journalists just because we have a computer and an anonymous username.

So now I will give my judgement. Refs don't always make the right call (especially in real time,) and it was a hard call to make. If I was Hasay's family member/coach/friend/big fan, I would have been overcome with emotion and protested as well. The contact was small, and probably not even GG's fault, but if the officials saw it that way, they had to follow the rules and call it. Shoulda been decided and done months ago

Folks, cut the crap. Yes, GG impeded Jordan's progress. Yes, of course it was a mistake. Yes, it potentially affected the outcome of the race (Jordan may have finished second, she may have finished 3rd - and that had USA Team, prize money, and potentially contractual bonus money implications, as well). This was not incidental contact. It was nobody's doing but for GGs.

Quit spinning the facts. According to the rules of track and field, a foul occured.

costco wrote:

Folks, cut the crap. Yes, GG impeded Jordan's progress. Yes, of course it was a mistake. Yes, it potentially affected the outcome of the race (Jordan may have finished second, she may have finished 3rd - and that had USA Team, prize money, and potentially contractual bonus money implications, as well). This was not incidental contact. It was nobody's doing but for GGs.

Quit spinning the facts. According to the rules of track and field, a foul occured.

A foul only occurs if the officials decide that it did. Some think she didn't foul (just tacticaly naive/awkward which is not an offence in and of itself)), some think that she did, some think that Hasay was also at fault. A number of different interpretations from people who ALL saw the video, or the race live, and have as much power to influence the decision as each other (in other words none) - and being a "good" runner is irrelevant in making these determinations, for those with the "I'm better than you so my opinion counts more, attitude".

The officials first making decisions (track referee), decided no foul, it wasn't the job of the flag official either, they simply alert the track referee to a "potential" problem. End of story - their job, not mine or yours. Apeals denied until undue influence (Salazar)was exerted on the officials. That is the only way she was dq'd. That is THE story, not whether she should have been dq'd or not. Different opinions from the peanut gallery - none of whom had the authority to make the decision either way. Just a lot of "I know better than you" crap. Get over yourselves, you are ALL idiots, both sides.

shindlers list wrote:

A foul only occurs if the officials decide that it did.

And a murder only occured if a jury says it does.