Qualifying Circumstances wrote:
NOTE: No kick can be considered great if it is the result of having run the entire previous part of the race at substandard pace. So that pretty much excludes every kick that ever came at the end of a so-called "tactical" championship race.
You want to impress me? Go balls out for the entire race AND THEN show off your speed at the end.
You can certainly have your opinion, but for most people a great kick would not require impressing YOU.
bob schul junkie wrote:
you guys are dumb..............the only 5k gold in American history. Bob Schul finishing the field in the final lap
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1zYmckCaO8
This one is extra special when you factor in the level of competition and what's at stake.
Qualifying Circumstances wrote:
NOTE: No kick can be considered great if it is the result of having run the entire previous part of the race at substandard pace. So that pretty much excludes every kick that ever came at the end of a so-called "tactical" championship race.
You want to impress me? Go balls out for the entire race AND THEN show off your speed at the end.
Mills set a 47 second PR, got shoved out of the way twice, recovered and then kicked. Should fit the bill for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F5iCsymMj0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOj0zjPzg-cBestKickEver wrote:
In your opinion...what is the greatest ending or final kick to a race you have ever seen. It can be a super close finish, or it could just be an amazing final lap. Personally, this is one of the greatest kicks I've ever seen (sorry for the bad quality)
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gXlcey3Cq6Y
I recall Stember having one of those type races, although its not a fair comparison when you really should have been leading the race. Schul and Mills are better examples of a legit kick.
Qualifying Circumstances wrote:
NOTE: No kick can be considered great if it is the result of having run the entire previous part of the race at substandard pace. So that pretty much excludes every kick that ever came at the end of a so-called "tactical" championship race.
You want to impress me? Go balls out for the entire race AND THEN show off your speed at the end.
Ok, Billy Mills. He was flat out for 10k and then outkicked everybody. listen to his commentary from 31:24 to 32:00:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_raFtm11ZDEthen, this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5vOhMwRQwI#t=2m25sCoghlan demolishes Rono with 100 to go.
Might be a bit biased....
My old high school winning NON 4 x 800.
Ovett, 1977 World Cup 1500m:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W7GogWlv7Q
Morceli, 1993 World Championship 1500m:
ventolin^3 wrote:
this is best kick ever in a 800 race
ereng that day coud be upgraded by 1.5 - 2s for indoors/outdoors & having no effective drafting whole race, another 0.5s
he probably was capable of, outdoors, in paced to bell ~
1'41.5 - 1'42.1
Only you could take a 1:44.8 even paced run and turn it into a 1:41 performance.
I can't believe you actually think half the things you come up with are even remotely possible.
For a start his last 200 was 25.7 and his last 100 was 13.1. That isn't a kick. He's actually slowing down in the second half of the last lap. A kick is when you speed up. A final kick is at the end of the race. Ereng was slowing down at the end of the race, but the rest of the field were slowing down at a faster rate. So it doesn't even qualify for this thread which is about a 'final kick'.
There have been dozens of races where the last 100 has been covered faster than 13.1.
He didn't run 6m wide. More like 3m in total. He was close to inside of lane 1 for first 3 laps. On the last lap he ran both curves on outside of lane 1 but spent hardly any time in lane 2. You do realise this is an indoor 200m track and not 400m?
If he'd run a 400 track curve on outside edge of lane 1 that would have been 3m. The 2 curves on the 200 track are half as long as the outdoor ones, meaning the 2 curves together are equivalent to running the last bend wide on a 400 track. To run 6m extra on just one curve of a 400 track he'd have to run it practically all in lane 3.
His last 2 x 100m were 12.6/13.1.
He ran about 1.5m extra on each of those 100 splits, so that works out more like 12.4/ 12.9 for 25.3 in a 1:44.4.
There is no way that is worth anything approaching 1:42 let alone 1:41.
Ereng had plenty of paced attempts outdoors in 88 & 89 and couldn't break 1:43.
Realism wrote:
shocked nobody has brought this up yet
Obea Moores ridiculous anchor leg 4x4 comeback at the 95 California State Meet
imo this is the clear winner, albeit in a sprint race
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhPKBnbWsR4go to about 3:08 in the video and get back to me
Incredible!
But, you are confusing a kick with a walkdown.
john treacy
that was one of the best races I've seen. nothin like HS
Qualifying Circumstances wrote:
NOTE: No kick can be considered great if it is the result of having run the entire previous part of the race at substandard pace. So that pretty much excludes every kick that ever came at the end of a so-called "tactical" championship race.
You want to impress me? Go balls out for the entire race AND THEN show off your speed at the end.
IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO GO BALLS OUT FOR THE ENTIRE RACE AND THEN HAVE ANY KICK AT THE END. THESE ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE CONCEPTS.
A kick requires you to have something EXTRA at the end, thereby negating the possibility that you were going balls out in the first place.
Try to think more clearly.
Obea Moore, quite possibly the greatest HS talent the USA had. Great kick for a 400m - don't often see kicks in the 1/4. Too bad he stumbled out of track after HS. That leg was the stuff of legend.
So many to choose from.
For the time this was an amazing last lap kick in the 800m
http://www.racingpast.ca/john_contents.php?id=150
Elliott/Hewson circa 50 seconds
Kenenisa Bekele's 10k WR- looks like he ran about 11 seconds for the final 100
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6roXDygZ3ag
and Mo Farah in Gateshead last year- sub 51 for the final 400
kkanderson wrote:
Kenenisa Bekele's 10k WR- looks like he ran about 11 seconds for the final 100
I can't remember exactly his time for the last 100m, but it definitely was well over 12 seconds.
Jeez, is everyone forgetting about Lagat vs El G in Athens 2004? That race was amazing. http://youtu.be/wgQWzXGrt4M
kkanderson wrote:
Kenenisa Bekele's 10k WR- looks like he ran about 11 seconds for the final 100
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6roXDygZ3agand Mo Farah in Gateshead last year- sub 51 for the final 400
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XCmEqSGpjY
11 seconds for the final 100? What the heck?
Possibly 13 or even 12.5.