It's hard to recluse yourself. You have to move to the woods and not talk to anyone. But okay, I will.
It's hard to recluse yourself. You have to move to the woods and not talk to anyone. But okay, I will.
Jordan being coached by Salazar is really going to force the NOP drug accusers into the proverbial horns of a dilemma. Either the NOP program is pharmaceutically driven, OR Hasay is unarguably the least likely U.S. athlete to ever consider doping. At some point they are mutually exclusive.
Ha Deeeeeeeel
I wonder how many time Richard Sherman has been tested this year?
Huh? For us low information voters Keenan Win, can you please explain yourself?
Jordan is back, baby !!! ..... too soon ?
I posted: "Rather than making a pest of yourself, please try to recluse yourself from these posts in the future."
Mikey C posted: "It's hard to recluse yourself. You have to move to the woods and not talk to anyone. But okay, I will."
Wikipedia says: "The word is from the Latin recludere, which means "shut up" or "sequester.
Conclusion: Dumb a$s LR posters continue to want to prove that they are dumb a$se$.
Actually it was Z coach who posted it...but I am sure you get the message.
Keenan Win wrote:
Jordan being coached by Salazar is really going to force the NOP drug accusers into the proverbial horns of a dilemma. Either the NOP program is pharmaceutically driven, OR Hasay is unarguably the least likely U.S. athlete to ever consider doping. At some point they are mutually exclusive.
Least likely to ever consider doping? Why? Because she is so not driven to be the best? Because she is America's sweat heart? So was Decker, who managed to not get a positive through her career until she hooked up with, you guessed it, Alberto Salazar.
And you doubt that NOP is pharma driven? Their leader, once again, Alberto Salazar, himself is pharma driven. First he thanks Prozac for a race win, then states that had it been for thyroid meds, his career would have been vastly different. Then he writes a paper stating Americans are not running 3:28s and 26:48 because those times require EPO.
But the most damning evidence that seems to escape all of you is the physical transformation Hasay, Farah, Rupp, Ritz all have gone through under Salazar. The veiny skeletor look, and the increase in speed. Both of these, coincidently, are side effects to thyroid med use:loss of weight and conversion of slow to fast twitch of muscle tissue.
Keenan Win wrote:
Jordan being coached by Salazar is really going to force the NOP drug accusers into the proverbial horns of a dilemma. Either the NOP program is pharmaceutically driven, OR Hasay is unarguably the least likely U.S. athlete to ever consider doping. At some point they are mutually exclusive.
Her previous actions make it very likely that she would consider doping. Remember the beet juice phase, for one? Being at big pharma oregon, then choosing the always suspect NOPe shows that she won't be discriminating about with whom she associates. If she ain't already hangin at the juice bar, then maybe she'll never hop the sleazy train.
Exhibit one that the educational system of America is failing us. Please don't tell me that an American university has granted you a degree. Skeletor????? Fantastic.
yuuuuuwqwee wrote:
Keenan Win wrote:Jordan being coached by Salazar is really going to force the NOP drug accusers into the proverbial horns of a dilemma. Either the NOP program is pharmaceutically driven, OR Hasay is unarguably the least likely U.S. athlete to ever consider doping. At some point they are mutually exclusive.
Least likely to ever consider doping? Why? Because she is so not driven to be the best? Because she is America's sweat heart? So was Decker, who managed to not get a positive through her career until she hooked up with, you guessed it, Alberto Salazar.
And you doubt that NOP is pharma driven? Their leader, once again, Alberto Salazar, himself is pharma driven. First he thanks Prozac for a race win, then states that had it been for thyroid meds, his career would have been vastly different. Then he writes a paper stating Americans are not running 3:28s and 26:48 because those times require EPO.
But the most damning evidence that seems to escape all of you is the physical transformation Hasay, Farah, Rupp, Ritz all have gone through under Salazar. The veiny skeletor look, and the increase in speed. Both of these, coincidently, are side effects to thyroid med use:loss of weight and conversion of slow to fast twitch of muscle tissue.
Montesquieu wrote:
Exhibit one that the educational system of America is failing us. Please don't tell me that an American university has granted you a degree. Skeletor????? Fantastic.[quote]yuuuuuwqwee wrote:
Fantastic retort.
A Duck wrote:
Capping Honey wrote:To say that Oregon is a clown college is an insult to all clown colleges. Oregon is like a community college. But hey! It gave us A Duck.
Actually, I transferred after my eligibility was done and graduated from a much higher rated institution.
Best of both worlds.
People who went to Oregon can't do math (or much else), and apparently can't count. This is the list prior to 1/25 from Track and Field News. Kim Conley is also now #4 on the list:
1. 4:20.5 Mary Slaney (Athletics West) 2/19/82
2. 4:21.79 Regina Jacobs (New York AC) 1/08/00
3. 4:24.11 Mary Cain (Nike) 1/24/14
4. 4:25.91 Jenny Simpson (Colorado) 2/28/09
5. 4:27.18 Christin Wurth-Thomas (Nike) 2/15/08
6. 4:27.90 Lindsey Gallo (Reebok) 2/07/09
7. 4:28.31 Vicki Huber (Villanova) 2/05/88
7. 4:28.31 Abbey D'Agostino (Dartmouth) 1/24/14
9. 4:28.47 Amy Rudolph (Reebok) 1/20/01
10. 4:28.37 Jordan Hasay (Nike) 1/24/14
11. 4:28.5 Francie Larrieu Smith (Pacific Coast Club) 3/03/75
12. 4:28.79 Kate Grace (Oiselle) 2/16/13
http://trackandfieldnews.com/index.php/display-article?arId=95431
Conley also set a facility record today in splitting 4:05.7.
coach d wrote:
1. 4:20.5 Mary Slaney (Athletics West) 2/19/82
2. 4:21.79 Regina Jacobs (New York AC) 1/08/00
3. 4:24.11 Mary Cain (Nike) 1/24/14
4. 4:25.91 Jenny Simpson (Colorado) 2/28/09
5. 4:27.18 Christin Wurth-Thomas (Nike) 2/15/08
6. 4:27.90 Lindsey Gallo (Reebok) 2/07/09
7. 4:28.31 Vicki Huber (Villanova) 2/05/88
7. 4:28.31 Abbey D'Agostino (Dartmouth) 1/24/14
9. 4:28.47 Amy Rudolph (Reebok) 1/20/01
10. 4:28.37 Jordan Hasay (Nike) 1/24/14
11. 4:28.5 Francie Larrieu Smith (Pacific Coast Club) 3/03/75
12. 4:28.79 Kate Grace (Oiselle) 2/16/13
http://trackandfieldnews.com/index.php/display-article?arId=95431Conley also set a facility record today in splitting 4:05.7.
So 4 women have made the list in 2 days. How many of those 4 are coached by Salazar?
Montesquieu wrote:
Let's stick to the facts. According to the US Anti-Doping Agency's website, in 2013 they tested Galen Rupp 24 times, Ritz 17 times, Hasay 3 times, Moser and Erdmann 5 times, and Mary Cain 9 times. Again, these are tests by a US agency. I suspect (others would know much better than I) that WADA would have tested them at Worlds (not Erdmann, of course) and perhaps elsewhere in Europe. And for point of comparison, Derrick was tested 5 times, Shalane Flanagan 15 times, Jager 6 times, Aaron Braun 1 time, and Ben True 1 time.
http://www.usada.org/athlete-test-historyAgain in English wrote:Anyone who thinks that Jordan is taking PEDs has no affiliation with, or connection to, this sport. Didn't someone say that all of the NOP athletes are tested by USATF at least once a week? That's sick! Imagine the NFL, the NBA, and MLB having such stringent drug-testing policies. They would all go out of business. Double standards abound in our sorrowful sports world, folks.
Now let's look at the content. First of all, it's quite possible to be heavily involved in this sport and believe exactly what you say is impossible for an insider to believe -- people believe things is the absence of evidence all the time, and Salazar is a known doper. (I think Hasay is as clean as they come, but that's beside the point.) Second, I don't know who "someone" is, but if you think the NOP people are each tested 50 or more times a year, or even 10, you're dreaming.
1. 4:20.5 Mary Slaney (Athletics West) 2/19/82 Omit the arguments here it's been done to a cinder.
2. 4:21.79 Regina Jacobs (New York AC) 1/08/00does anyone think this is clean?
3. 4:24.11 Mary Cain (Nike) 1/24/14
4. 4:25.91 Jenny Simpson (Colorado) 2/28/09
5. 4:27.18 Christin Wurth-Thomas (Nike) 2/15/08
6. 4:27.90 Lindsey Gallo (Reebok) 2/07/09
7. 4:28.31 Vicki Huber (Villanova) 2/05/88
7. 4:28.31 Abbey D'Agostino (Dartmouth) 1/24/14
9. 4:28.47 Amy Rudolph (Reebok) 1/20/01
10. 4:28.37 Jordan Hasay (Nike) 1/24/14
11. 4:28.5 Francie Larrieu Smith (Pacific Coast Club) 3/03/75
12. 4:28.79 Kate Grace (Oiselle) 2/16/13
http://trackandfieldnews.com/index.php/display-article?arId=95431Read more:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=5601071&page=3#ixzz2rUHU8icbfactaback wrote:
I believe Jordan's GPA BTW was 4.0 throughout her entire college career.
If someone got a 4.0 in every class they took in college, then their college must have been a joke. In any real college class, the median grade will be around 3.0 (or lower) with about a 0.5 standard deviation, and graded entirely on exams that drill you on the concepts to see whether you fully understand them. Even if you're Will from Good Will Hunting, it's near-impossible to always be in the top few percent of classmates who get the prized 4.0's doled out to them. The smartest people still experience an occasional brain fart that makes them miss a problem on an exam. I'm not sure that anyone from my school had an overall GPA above 3.90. I think the highest I ever knew of was someone who had a 3.9X within their major and a 3.8X overall.
It makes me very sad that Hasay chose to join the evil NOPing side. Because she still looks like an 11 year old, we want to believe that she is incapable of cheating. The odds that she is doing this the honest way are very small, very small. Oregon's big pharma culture, the rampant doping at salazar's and nike's AW, and now the infinitely more evil NOPe have ruined the sport for many devoted fans.
Currently, two, I believe.
What workout did Mary and Jordan run post race?
Let's set aside that you have no specific, first-hand information about anything going on at NOP, that you haven't met or conversed with anyone having anything to do with NOP, that the level of your "argument" is simply a blanket assertion cast in probabilistic garb )"the odds . . . are very small), and ask this question: What universe are you living in such that someone who ran 4:14 in high school, and who has just run the equivalent of 4:08-09 is not "doing this the honest way"? What time in the world has she ever run that would lead any sane person to think she is doping? Now, this is a very simple question, so perhaps you might take a crack at answering it.
Return to Reality wrote:
It makes me very sad that Hasay chose to join the evil NOPing side. Because she still looks like an 11 year old, we want to believe that she is incapable of cheating. The odds that she is doing this the honest way are very small, very small. Oregon's big pharma culture, the rampant doping at salazar's and nike's AW, and now the infinitely more evil NOPe have ruined the sport for many devoted fans.