Mo Farah's new form: here's a sneak peak

Dingo Dog wrote:

Correct, because we're all hypocrites.

And brother, if you can't stand the heat, or differing opinions, stay out of the kitchen, that way you will be left alone.

I am not a hypocrite. You are wrong. :)

I can't stand differing opinions? If that would be the case I would have a heart attack every time I checked these message boards.

I can stand different opinions but an opinion is not what you present on this thread.

You make statements.

See above? "we're all hypocrites." - That's not an opinion. It's a statement.

Be a hypocrite, be happy (or not) about it and stop labelling others.

You are the one who can't take the heat, or differing opinions, so you label the ones around in order to fit your image.

Seriously, leave me alone because you are only digging a deeper hole for yourself.

Intensive Porcupine wrote:

See above? "we're all hypocrites." - That's not an opinion. It's a statement.

its both - statement of an opinion

In general, an opinion is a judgment, viewpoint, or statement about matters commonly considered to be subjective, i.e. based on that which is less than absolutely certain, and is the result of emotion or interpretation of facts.

How Kenyans manage to compete with this sort of science and technology boggles.

El Keniano wrote:

How Kenyans manage to compete with this sort of science and technology boggles.

You know they've all got their dodgy doctor/coach/agent providing them with the latest 'support'?

other world wrote:

its both - statement of an opinion

In general, an opinion is a judgment, viewpoint, or statement about matters commonly considered to be subjective, i.e. based on that which is less than absolutely certain, and is the result of emotion or interpretation of facts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion

Fine. It's a statement of his opinion. As it includes something that is not true, why do it?

I can state an opinion and say that Wilson Kipsang has run a 1:59 Marathon. And? Stupid, isn't it?

Just like what that poster wrote.

Hardloper wrote:

You'll find the @sshole in the mirror.

You are one cocky, presumptuous whippersnapper, Hardloper.

Grow up and learn to appreciate the good others do in life.

Gamera sets an example many others, you included, should follow.

If instead of attacking him you, for example, gave "a minority of your income to charity", and others would do the same, the World would be a much, much better place.

But no, you criticize those who do good but do nothing to improve the lives of those less fortunate.

other world wrote:

Gameras & Porcupines of this world give off topic opinions & statements & get the shits when anyone questions or disagrees with em.

It's not about disagreeing with me. It's about attacking and judging someone you don't know.

Do you want to have a polite dialogue? I would love to.

People who don't know me saying I'm a hypocrite or dissing Gamera because of his altruistic principles? I don't think that is correct.

Your post is as off-topic as mine so what's your point about that?

Hardloper wrote:

What Nike does with its sweatshops, I'm sure we all agree is wrong, but it is way outside the scope of this message board, and does not need to be discussed.

Are you serious?

The most influential brand in our sport does something you agree is wrong and you say it is outside the scope of this message board? And that it doesn't need to be discussed?

Great attitude.

On-topic.

If I was Mo's coach I would also work on his form.

As someone said before, he is very "bouncy" and he will benefit from staying closer to the ground when racing over longer distances.

That is very clear in the footage of the Great North Run.

Intensive Porcupine wrote:

other world wrote:

its both - statement of an opinion

In general, an opinion is a judgment, viewpoint, or statement about matters commonly considered to be subjective, i.e. based on that which is less than absolutely certain, and is the result of emotion or interpretation of facts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion

Fine. It's a statement of his opinion. As it includes something that is not true, why do it?

I can state an opinion and say that Wilson Kipsang has run a 1:59 Marathon. And? Stupid, isn't it?

Just like what that poster wrote.

Seeing someone as a hypocrite is subjective to each person because there is no definitive way to measure hypocrisy in a standardized way.

Saying wilson kipsang ran a 1:59 is not an opinion. Its not subjective we have standardized tests to measurr distance and time making it to a very large degree undisputable(unless you delve into PEDs or accuse of improper measurement/timing) so saying he ran a marathon in 1:59 is not an opinion but an untrue statement.

Sorry for capitalization, forgotten apostrophes etc im on my phone

Gym Class Shuffle wrote:

Saying wilson kipsang ran a 1:59 is not an opinion. Its not subjective we have standardized tests to measurr distance and time making it to a very large degree undisputable(unless you delve into PEDs or accuse of improper measurement/timing) so saying he ran a marathon in 1:59 is not an opinion but an untrue statement.

Good point.

Thanks.

How about Priscah Jeptoo and Paula Radcliffe should Nike have changed their form?

I seriously doubt Mo Farah's form is changing much.

sneak peak wrote:

http://instagram.com/p/iJ-KzCSarq/

I do see a difference. It looks like Wilson Kipsang's form a bit, especially the arms

Seeing that photo made me think of that Nike Lance commercial.

Either it's all marketing bs or the scientists had to know Lance was doping right?

Wilson Kipang isn't hooked up to some machine and he kicks ass.

gimmicks = front for doping activities

always is

just sayin wrote:

gimmicks = front for doping activities

always is

Sounds like someone knows their history.

Hey, what famous cyclist did/does Salazar associate with again?

For anyone still looking for cited sources showing the link between mechanics/form and running economy, here is one to get you started:

Williams, K. R., & Cavanagh, P. R. (1987). Relationship between distance running mechanics, running economy, and performance. Journal of Applied Physiology, 63(3), 1236–1245.

Also, here is a second (and more recent) article for your continued reading.

Heise, G. D., Smith, J. D., & Martin, P. E. (2011). Lower extremity mechanical work during stance phase of running partially explains interindividual variability of metabolic power. European Journal of Applied Physiology, 111(8), 1777–1785. doi:10.1007/s00421-010-1793-z

The jury is still out on which biomechanical variables affect running economy. However, one thing is clear. The link between form and economy is strong enough that it warrants trying to improve form in those at the international level where a small improvement can make a difference in finish place.

Intensive Porcupine wrote:

It's not about disagreeing with me. It's about attacking and judging someone you don't know.

err considering the following would the above be hypocritical? unless of course youre judging hardloper because you know him and know he doesn't give a minority of his income to charity

Intensive Porcupine wrote:

You are one cocky, presumptuous whippersnapper, Hardloper.

Grow up and learn to appreciate the good others do in life.

Gamera sets an example many others, you included, should follow.

If instead of attacking him you, for example, gave "a minority of your income to charity", and others would do the same, the World would be a much, much better place.

hahahahahahaha wrote:

err considering the following would the above be hypocritical? unless of course youre judging hardloper because you know him and know he doesn't give a minority of his income to charity

Yep. This entire tangent is just one person judging the previous person (or Nike) for judging the person before that, but somehow it's okay when they do it. It's so easy to change the world by changing other people isn't it?

Intensive Porcupine wrote:

The most influential brand in our sport does something you agree is wrong and you say it is outside the scope of this message board? And that it doesn't need to be discussed?

I should say "outside the scope of this topic." It is rude to go interrupt a conversation (and you could do this for ANY conversation) and turn it into judgment. Oh you're eating ice cream? Wouldn't it be great if we solved world hunger before you ate unnecessary desserts?

I don't think it needs to be discussed because it's just preaching to the choir, pointing out the obvious, "slacktivism." And then the author gets to feel better about himself even though he did nothing productive.

If someone starts a thread or posts a link to a fundraiser thing or whatever, then I promise I'll be the first to donate to it.

Gamera wrote:

LM wrote:

Ultimately though, it just seems like you have an entirely different viewpoint of what corporations should do with the money they earn. It sounds as if you feel corporations should take excess earnings and, instead of distributing them to shareholders, they ought to use them for humanitarian projects.

AHAHAHAHA! That's hilarious!! Humanitarian projects! That would be so stupid! Who in their right mind would want to take their hard-stolen money and help those less fortunate them? They would have to be complete a**holes to do something so perverse!

I don't say this often, but the way you are posting is truly moronic.

Did I ever, at any point, say anything implying this would b e a bad thing? I didn't think so either, so what's the point of an incredibly sarcastic, mocking style post?

My point is that you don't really seem to understand that most people don't hold the view that corporations should take the majority of their profit and use that for humanitarian work. It may or may not be a good thing, but I get the impression it sounds good to you on the surface so you roll with a simple idea...when in reality it's a massively complex issue.

To give just ONE (there are many) complications, if you take all your profit and spend it right into humanitarian stuff, then you have nothing leftover with which to grow the business, limiting ability to make other contributions later, as well as doing nothing to increase the number of jobs and general amount of wealth that makes everyone living conditions better. There are plenty of counterpoints to this line of thinking, but you don't give the impression of having considered anything more than a superficial "it sounds nice" argument.