Mo Farah's new form: here's a sneak peak

sneak peak wrote:

http://instagram.com/p/iJ-KzCSarq/

I do see a difference. It looks like Wilson Kipsang's form a bit, especially the arms

is it because he's black?

Looks the same to me

In the meantime in Kenya: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_S_Z7Psv_OD4/TCbneKZmFiI/AAAAAAAAAOo/tz3ThJSxhec/s640/kenyan+training+ground.bmp

Gimmick wrote:

In the meantime in Kenya:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_S_Z7Psv_OD4/TCbneKZmFiI/AAAAAAAAAOo/tz3ThJSxhec/s640/kenyan+training+ground.bmp

How can you say that focusing on biomehanics is a gimmick? It's been proven to improve efficiency and lessen the risk of injury.

what an idiot wrote:

How can you say that focusing on biomehanics is a gimmick? It's been proven to improve efficiency and lessen the risk of injury.

Because unless you're actually measuring changes in efficiency, saying that one form is more or less efficient than another based solely on appearance is 100% gimmicky.

uhler wrote:

what an idiot wrote:

How can you say that focusing on biomehanics is a gimmick? It's been proven to improve efficiency and lessen the risk of injury.

Because unless you're actually measuring changes in efficiency, saying that one form is more or less efficient than another based solely on appearance is 100% gimmicky.

Do you really think they're not measuring changes? In the video the OP posted, Mo is having a VO2 max test, whcih measures an athletes oxygen intake at different speeds (aka efficiency). They definitely perform this test periodically, and measure changes in VO2 and LT. They can compare the results pre-form change and post-form change. WHen changing Mo's form, Nike definitely has a number of biomechanists on staff along with motion capture equipment to look at joint angles and the like.

You can do a lot with improving running biomechanics. Common sense has a lot to do with it.

He seems to have a lot up and down movement. (bouncing)

I'm just a middle of the pack runner, but if he is working on his form I thought you were suppose to minimize the vertical movement and use your effort driving forward.

what an idiot wrote:

Do you really think they're not measuring changes? In the video the OP posted, Mo is having a VO2 max test, whcih measures an athletes oxygen intake at different speeds (aka efficiency). They definitely perform this test periodically, and measure changes in VO2 and LT. They can compare the results pre-form change and post-form change. WHen changing Mo's form, Nike definitely has a number of biomechanists on staff along with motion capture equipment to look at joint angles and the like.

That's the most depressing thing I've heard all day. How absurd has our society become, when half the world is starving and broke, and yet we have people investing all this time, money, resources, and manpower in some kind of weird hybrid of science, pseudoscience, and pointlessness, trying to get some guy to maybe be able to run a few seconds faster in a marathon?

what an idiot wrote:

How can you say that focusing on biomehanics is a gimmick? It's been proven to improve efficiency and lessen the risk of injury.

Proven? Really? Perhaps you'd like to cite a few sources.

fadsfadsf wrote:

what an idiot wrote:

How can you say that focusing on biomehanics is a gimmick? It's been proven to improve efficiency and lessen the risk of injury.

Proven? Really? Perhaps you'd like to cite a few sources.

Here's are two of many sources:

And yet, rather then dedicate every moment of your life to solving those problems...you find the time to 1st world problems complain about it here...

sneak peak wrote:

http://instagram.com/p/iJ-KzCSarq/

I do see a difference. It looks like Wilson Kipsang's form a bit, especially the arms

Yeah, kind of looks like he maybe had a bit of that middle-distance skinny muscular precision sacrificed in favor of that super power like quality of the top marathoner's arms and legs. One might assume Mo Farah has very seriously been giving priority to distances beyond 10k: half-marathon, marathon even. Anyone know what the status is on his continual engagement in track distances? I guess world record attempts are out of the picture for good?

Gamera wrote:

That's the most depressing thing I've heard all day. How absurd has our society become, when half the world is starving and broke, and yet we have people investing all this time, money, resources, and manpower in some kind of weird hybrid of science, pseudoscience, and pointlessness, trying to get some guy to maybe be able to run a few seconds faster in a marathon?

Wow, way to take umbrage at the most important--in terms of scale and offensiveness--injustices in our society! I'm being sarcastic, obviously, and I think this is totally unfair. American society has a lot of excesses and unethical trends in our culture and institutions. I bet you couldn't even name a few of the scores of serious problems not getting enough attention.

IdiotProof wrote:

You can do a lot with improving running biomechanics. Common sense has a lot to do with it.

You can also measure balance--as being the positive and desirable outcome of "balanced" and "sound" relative strength of muscles and biomechanics--by various positions, having the patient resist a physical therapist's pushes, or, whole balance, by having them balance in various standing up positions. This is definitely more legitimate than quack doctors who focus on anything but biomechanics when giving "running injury" advice. When I was younger and experienced running injuries for the first time, I encountered suck quack advice. Working with a physical therapist to build a strength training programme into my life to ensure balanced biomechancis was the only thing that remedied by training injuries--and they did. I hold it as of chief importance in my life continually.

I guess people who give no respect to the pursuit of biomechanical balance and improvement have never been injured in their lives.

what an idiot wrote:

How can you say that focusing on biomehanics is a gimmick? It's been proven to improve efficiency and lessen the risk of injury.

Did I say anything about biomechanics?

I wanted to show the difference between all the technology surrounding the training in the NOP and the one done by the athletes in Kenya.

And the choice of the word "gimmick" was connected with its recent use connected to the NOP.

Who's the idiot now?

Kipketer_Pumpkin_Eater wrote:

Gamera wrote:

That's the most depressing thing I've heard all day. How absurd has our society become, when half the world is starving and broke, and yet we have people investing all this time, money, resources, and manpower in some kind of weird hybrid of science, pseudoscience, and pointlessness, trying to get some guy to maybe be able to run a few seconds faster in a marathon?

Wow, way to take umbrage at the most important--in terms of scale and offensiveness--injustices in our society! I'm being sarcastic, obviously, and I think this is totally unfair. American society has a lot of excesses and unethical trends in our culture and institutions. I bet you couldn't even name a few of the scores of serious problems not getting enough attention.

Not sure I understand you. Are you saying hunger and poverty do NOT rank very highly in terms of scale and offensiveness in the list of society's woes?

I'll restate it: I find it indicative of how immoral or amoral our society has become when there are children (and adults) going hungry in our own country, yet according to another poster a whole squadron of biomechanical experts and physiologists is attending to the all-important task of adjusting Mo Farah's form so that it is more marathon-appropriate. It reminds me of Salazar flying in a cryosauna to some hotel in New York a few years back so that Ritzenheim could continue to take his cryo sessions in the days leading up to the NYC marathon. That must have cost multiple thousands of dollars just for transportation, all for some crackpot idea that almost undoubtedly didn't help. The money could have gone to a better use.

'Nike definitely has a number of biomechanists on staff along with motion capture equipment to look at joint angles and the like.'

KB and Haile ran faster without

You earn the right to have people devote science and technology to your trivial cause. Who's to say that Mo won't donate more to charity if all this tech translates to larger paydays for him?