The Curious Case of Treniere Moser

Gunner For Life wrote:

She ran a 4:07 and had a DNF in July. Am I missing any other races? That's not exactly "awful."

London. Which made it worse.

Just because you can't prescribe something doesn't mean you weren't taught how to read them. We help people with injuries and have to know how to read radiographs and MRIs, etc. to provide optimal care to the patient.

Try not to be so ignorant (just a suggestion)

I'm sorry: your post is mindless. The 4:07 placed her 13th and DFL at Monaco. The very next meet, the London 3000, she dropped out of. Given the great season she was having, those results point to injury. In fact, these very boards were full of speculation as to what the problem was. About NOP people "mysteriously withdrawing" from meets with great frequency, how about a list. Rupp, who has been drug tested eleven times this year, has not withdrawn from a single meet this year; Farah has not withdrawn from a single meet this year; Ritz, who has been tested seven times this year, withdrew from a road race (in which there was no testing) in Chicago because of a calf injury, but otherwise he has not withdrawn from a race this year; Cain has not withdrawn from a single race this year(unless you want to count the 5000 at Nationals, but she was entered in that just in case she didn't the team in the 1500); Moser had not withdrawn from a single race until this one; Puskedra has not withdrawn from a single race; Hasay has not withdrawn from a single race; Ulrey has not withdrawn from a single race; Erdmann has not withdrawn from a single race this year. And if Moser was worried about "getting popped," why did she go to Moscow, where she would get popped?

Gunner For Life wrote:

She ran a 4:07 and had a DNF in July. Am I missing any other races? That's not exactly "awful."

You also completely omitted the more likely scenario that she was glowing in a NOP administered test and therefore had to withdraw or else risk getting popped at the WC. NOP people mysteriously withdraw from meets more than you would like to admit but the problem here is that it's the WC and not some Diamond League or random other meet. It's very common knowledge in the doping community that you test yourself right before a competition that will have tough testing and, if your levels are bad, you withdraw due to being "injured."

I don't find pulling out of the meet as strange as suddenly running PR's at 32 years old having not run well since 2007.

Just to echo Montesquieu's points--

Moser's DNF in London wasn't just a DNF. She was with the leaders in that race with a lap to go, and on the backstretch she seemed to be in the hunt for the win, kicking with the best of them. She then dropped out somewhere between 300m and 200m to go.

Dropping out at such a late stage in the race, in the middle of the finishing kick, with not much of the race left, makes a lot of sense given a hamstring injury.

First of all, she's 31. Second of all, she ran 2:00.51 in 2010, 2:00.45 in 2011, and 2:01.93 in an injury ridden 2012. I think those are running well. And in the 1500 she did PR, but only by .47--scarcely scintillating. But Salazar does take athletes who have started to go backwards and surely not forwards--the two Gouchers, Ritz--and he finds a way to immediately make them better. Part of it is better training, part of it is better conditioning, etc. NOP has a full-time strength coach, a full-time sports psychologist, a full-time massage therapist, a part-time nutritionist, they spend a great deal of time in the gym, they have a wealth of resources at their disposal--going to Park City, going to St. Moritz, Alter-Gs, underwater treadmills, and they are a group of winners. In the States we don't appreciate Salazar as a coach, but keep in mind that the Bekele brothers both wanted to be coached by Salazar. Finally, look at how Hasay has improved since coming to NOP, despite having run in essence four seasons straight--XC, collegiate indoors, collegiate outdoors, post-collegiate. But, of course, some guys don't improve, and the list is long. So far, for the latest example, Puskedra has not advanced; maybe he will next year.

oddity wrote:

I don't find pulling out of the meet as strange as suddenly running PR's at 32 years old having not run well since 2007.

I am assuming that the picture we are looking at is of the back of two hamstrings as the patient is lying on her stomach? I am also assuming that the white slash down the middle of the hamstrings on the right, is the injury. In her interview, she claims she injured her left hamstring. If these are two hamstrings we are looking at, then the one on the right is obviously her RIGHT hamstring?

Conspiracies are either discovered or invented with analysis. Unfortunately, too much analysis, without all the facts, and assuming other "facts" to be true is how conspiracies are invented. How can someone win when a response to made up rumors is then viewed as proof of the original rumor. If Moser and the NOP had said nothing the same posters would be commenting that their silence was deafening and an admission of guilt.

figure it out wrote:

how would a partial tear down the belly of the muscle, and with that tiny mri pic as a guide, feel and respond?

She's talking about doing easy runs. DOes that fit with the general decription.

With my injury, I felt like I had a limiter. At certain paces, I felt "okay." If I went faster, the hamstring reminded me in a most unpleasant fashion.

hayward102

RE: The Curious Case of Treniere Moser 8/9/2013 5:20PM - in reply to missing something here?

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Conspiracies are either discovered or invented with analysis. Unfortunately, too much analysis, without all the facts, and assuming other "facts" to be true is how conspiracies are invented. How can someone win when a response to made up rumors is then viewed as proof of the original rumor. If Moser and the NOP had said nothing the same posters would be commenting that their silence was deafening and an admission of guilt.

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I have no idea what you are talking about, hayward102. The image seems to show an injured right (?) hamstring and she claimed to have injured her left one.

And perhaps the image is reveresed - the text is obscured.

haha, quite hilarious as nobody noticed before that she is talking about a left hamstring injury, while the MRI pic shows us a right hamstring tear... and it is DEFINITELY a right hamstring injury on the pic, no reverse image or such thing.

Amazing posts by LR posters....I'm hearing the black helicopters as we speak. When children pose as experts, we are in trouble (and god knows that LR is in trouble).

I'm pretty sure Puskedra has run a PB for the 5000m this year.

missing something here? wrote:

I am assuming that the picture we are looking at is of the back of two hamstrings as the patient is lying on her stomach? I am also assuming that the white slash down the middle of the hamstrings on the right, is the injury. In her interview, she claims she injured her left hamstring. If these are two hamstrings we are looking at, then the one on the right is obviously her RIGHT hamstring?

You and questions Alberto assume wrong. I just had an MRI the other week for my right knee. If the injury is on one side, there is no reason they would MRI the other side.

Had a grade 1 hamstring strain a few months back...not MRI worthy with my crappy insurance, but pretty textbook one, and I can tell you this... one week of aqua jogging and no running whatsoever... then two weeks of low mileage/no speed work. No way I could run fast on that, and it was a very minor strain as such things go.

Find it hard to believe she'd think she could run through such a thing and have any chance to do well. Maybe just wanted to toe the line in the prelims for the experience?!

missing something here? wrote:

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I have no idea what you are talking about, hayward102. The image seems to show an injured right (?) hamstring and she claimed to have injured her left one.

I was making a general response to the entire thread. Your post just happened to be the last one. My comments weren't addressing the hamstring MRI. I don't pretend to be qualified to make any comments on what an MRI is showing.

If Treniere and Paul are reading these threads, remember it's just a bunch of noise.

Treniere, it sucks to get injured on an upswing, but you had a great season and you proved you have a lot of great races left in your legs.

Enjoy some rest and get healthy.

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Even if she took care of the visa. NOONE is gonna purchase a plane ticket and lodging on the off chance that someone pulls out. It is interesting that she had no idea as they are friends and used to train occasionally together when sarah was in college. Knowing both its either assuring that moser told the truth or disheartening at the chance she isnt. Its certainly exciting for Sarah! Congrats!