Farah 50.89 last lap

Chebii 50.68 wrote:

Chebii stands out. In the Grand Prix Final at the end of the 2002 season, he clocked 50.68 for his last 400 meters

That was a 3k.

I hear Michael Johnson once closed with a 43.18 last lap.

Moderately okay high school 400m runners can run 51 flat. Elite distance runners I'm sure can beat that. (Especially ones emphasizing speed) I believe I saw something about Seb Coe closing in 10.2, so that's about 11 flat after running an extremely hard middle distance effort. Still about what moderately okay HS sprinters do, and that's with a very draining effort beforehand, so Mo could definitely run sub 49.5 for an open 400, of course as long as he works on his start out of blocks. Sub 49 for sure with a ~35m rolling start.

Urong wrote:You're right. He'd already run 12:57 which is under 13 flat!

try again

2009 3:33.98 Monaco 28 JUL

2010 12:57.94 Zürich 19 AUG

2009 13:09.14 London (CP) 24 JUL

2008 13:08.11 Bruxelles 05 SEP

2007 13:07.00 Bruxelles 14 SEP

2006 13:09.40 Heusden-Zolder 22 JUL

smallrunner4life wrote:

Moderately okay high school 400m runners can run 51 flat. Elite distance runners I'm sure can beat that. (Especially ones emphasizing speed) I believe I saw something about Seb Coe closing in 10.2, so that's about 11 flat after running an extremely hard middle distance effort. Still about what moderately okay HS sprinters do, and that's with a very draining effort beforehand, so Mo could definitely run sub 49.5 for an open 400, of course as long as he works on his start out of blocks. Sub 49 for sure with a ~35m rolling start.

Moderately okay high schoolers can run 4:45 miles. Does that mean that every elite pro 100m sprinter can?

smallrunner4life wrote:so Mo could definitely run sub 49.5 for an open 400, of course as long as he works on his start out of blocks. Sub 49 for sure with a ~35m rolling start.

i'm not even sure about 50-flat let alone 49.5

Hicham said 49-50 seconds for 400m and 1:45 for 800m. I then asked his coach the same questions-he said he has run 48 for 400m

mo is not going to have anywhere close to hicham's speed otherwise with his far better endurance ( 26'46 ) he woud also be threatening 3'26

smallrunner4life wrote:

I believe I saw something about Seb Coe closing in 10.2, so that's about 11 flat after running an extremely hard middle distance effort.

I assume you meant to type "11.2"

I've never heard of him closing the last 100 in 11.2 in any race.

msksk wrote:

smallrunner4life wrote:

Moderately okay high school 400m runners can run 51 flat. Elite distance runners I'm sure can beat that. (Especially ones emphasizing speed) I believe I saw something about Seb Coe closing in 10.2, so that's about 11 flat after running an extremely hard middle distance effort. Still about what moderately okay HS sprinters do, and that's with a very draining effort beforehand, so Mo could definitely run sub 49.5 for an open 400, of course as long as he works on his start out of blocks. Sub 49 for sure with a ~35m rolling start.

Moderately okay high schoolers can run 4:45 miles. Does that mean that every elite pro 100m sprinter can?

Going down in distance is a lot easier than going up. You can still run a good mile off of 100 long slow miles per week, but you can't run a good mile running 10mpw like sprinters do.

These trolls nowadays, they think they know everything but in fact they're all wrong. Get your facts straight, a**hole.

smallrunner4life wrote:

msksk wrote:

Moderately okay high schoolers can run 4:45 miles. Does that mean that every elite pro 100m sprinter can?

Going down in distance is a lot easier than going up. You can still run a good mile off of 100 long slow miles per week, but you can't run a good mile running 10mpw like sprinters do.

These trolls nowadays, they think they know everything but in fact they're all wrong. Get your facts straight, a**hole.

Your first post was good. In this recent one, you lost your subtlety and it's obvious trolling.

'if this run is indicative of mo being in mid-50 shape in an open 400 with 0 wind & nice temperature '

Thought you said 51.0 10 mins ago

has ventolin got 2 handles on this thread?

i'm getting confused

Hardy Har! wrote: I hear Michael Johnson once closed with a 43.18 last lap.

Yes, but he didn't hobbyjog 4600m first.

someone had to do it wrote:

smallrunner4life wrote:

I believe I saw something about Seb Coe closing in 10.2, so that's about 11 flat after running an extremely hard middle distance effort.

I assume you meant to type "11.2"

I've never heard of him closing the last 100 in 11.2 in any race.

11.3 in the 800m European cup semi final competition. The old European Cup involved all the countries competing in rounds to qualify for the final. It was a much bigger competition than the European Team event held today.

I have the race and he pulled about 14m clear of Kirov (the Olympic bronze medalist in Moscow) in the last 100. David Coleman's commentary Is priceless.

He was level with Kirov at 700 and at the end he won 1:47.5 to 1:49.1. The last 200 was 24.6.

Coe was timed in 10.6 for the second 100 during his 200 reps, but that is with a flying start of course.

augustine choge ran 51.2 for the last lap while running 13:03

augustine choge ran 51.2 for the last lap while running 13:03

Farah has impressive stamina and relaxation while running. 14:10 is 73 seconds slower than the 12:53.11 he ran in 2011. Closer to his half marathon pace than 5k pace. This is why he could kick at basically full speed.

Not only was Farah's last 400m run in 50.8, but he ran the 200m section from the bell to 4800m in 23.9! And the 300m from the bell to 4900 in 36.8! Almost as fast as Ryun (36.6) in his German race in 67. Does this suggest that Farah is in fact a low 45 400m runner in disguise, Venty?

His last 4 x 100m went: -

12.0, 11.9, 12.9, 14.1.

This illustrates that off a relatively slow pace, a lot of the top guys can ran at near to maximum effort for 300, but after that, the wheels start to fall off.

If Farah had run the 14.1 for the first 100 of that last lap, then he would probably have run a 36.8 last 300m. You can chop and change the order of those 100 splits, but there is no permetation that is going to get it any faster (than about 0.1) than the 50.8 he ran.

Farah is the best kicker in the world at the moment.

Deanouk wrote:And the 300m from the bell to 4900 in 36.8! Almost as fast as Ryun (36.6) in his German race in 67. Does this suggest that Farah is in fact a low 45 400m runner in disguise, Venty?

if you are asking such a nonsense question, you clearly haven't a clue

ryun went 36.5 on a chewed up dirt track following the 10k race in a 3'38.2

given the chewed-up track, that was probably more like 1.5s/lap handicap rather than 1s/lap

-> ryun on a '70s synthetic

3'32.5 with 35.3

when mo runs a 3'32 with a low-35 finish, then talk about his speed being comparable to ryun with low-45 open