Most overrated Jedi?

Its also well know that when Anakin became a Cyborg he lost quite a few midi-cloarians meaning that only his son and Sidious were stronger than him in the galaxy.

Yoda only failed to defeat the emporer which is why he was forced to retreat in the fight, Darth Tyrannus was forced to use Anakin to defeat a clearly aging Obi-Wan and then in the fight against Yoda he was forced to once again use the two injured jedi to cover his retreat.

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O.o wrote:

Its also well know that when Anakin became a Cyborg he lost quite a few midi-cloarians meaning that only his son and Sidious were stronger than him in the galaxy.

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Wait, Wait. Midicloarians aren't like red blood cells? I thought they were measured in a manner similar to taking a hematocrit? If Anakin were cut and bled a bit, he would certainly loose some red blood cells, which would subsequently be replaced. Are you saying that when he bled/lost tissue that the midi-cloarians that were lost did not regenerate?

You just ruined my day.

Anakin is probably the biggest let down with a midichlorian count that is off the charts he doesn't accomplish a whole lot. I don't think Luke is over-rated as he's basically self taught, throws in a little dark side force and absolutely whips Vader in ROTJ. Had anyone bothered to give him a head's up on the whole lightning thing, he probably would have been fine against Palpatine as well.

Have to remember how big of a deal it was for him to save his father though, I mean that really directed his choice in trying not to fight.

Heck, if he had a mind to do it, the way he was progressing he could have waited another year or two and probably smoked Palp, and Vader at the same time.

How old?!

You serious?

O.o wrote:

You're basing that off the movies only.

If it's not in the movies, it is not admissible as evidence, canonical or not. Referring to other sources is unforgivable geekery and not to be tolerated on a respectable forum such as this.

Obi-wan was not beating Vader in 4. Don't be ridiculous. He was old, weak and slow. Vader would obviously have beaten him. Obi Wan was suiciding to get it over with.

Obi-wan wasn't beating Vader in 3 either, until Vader got cocky and tried to jump over him.

If Dooku is overrated, how did he savagely maul Obi-wan both times they fought, within seconds? And savagely destroy Anakin the first time in only one second. In the second fight, one vs two, he still easily dispatched Obi-wan in seconds. Only Vader could defeat him.

Palpatine slaughtered Mace Windu's 4 Jedi before fighting him, and allowed him to win so Vader would help. He threw Senate boxes at Yoda and sent him crawling away in terror. He outwitted the entire Jedi order, robbed them of their powers, destroyed their temple, pretty much killed them all, and established a mighty and proud empire to bring order and prosperity to the galaxy. Palpatine was not overrated. He was the greatest Sith of all time.

I am going to have to say that Obi Wan Kenobi was the greatest Jedi of all time. He was never beaten in battle(let Vader kill him and became immortal by becoming part of the force) and defeated two Siths. His only falter was against Dooku. He was able to easily kill Darth Maul and handily beat down Anakin's azz. His light saber skills were unmatched by anyone. He was also able to become one with the force after allowing Vader to kill him so Luke could escape. His role in the saga was far more important than Master Yoda's. Yoda called the shots but could not get it done in battle against Dooku or the Emperor. Without Obi Wan the chosen one would have never learned the ways of the force. Luke,Leia and Padme would have been killed by Anakin or forced to join of the dark side. Obi Wan was the the Jedi behind the fall of the Sith in the Galaxy. He was the Jedi who ushered in the change that led to the downfall of the Sith. He was there through the most crucial decades of the history of the galaxy and the dark side would not had been destroyed without his faithful work towards the cause.

All of you who are talking about the most overrated Sith need to include General Greivous in the discussion. He was supposed to be a serious badass with his cyborg body and four lightsabers, but just turned out to be a pansy that ran away from two fights and was killed in his only real fight against Obi Wan.

Kit fisto should be mentioned. All the talk has been about guys who are clearly at the top of the game.

Kit fisto somehow manages to survive the stadium battle and is selected to go after sidious. Then he proceeds to get tooled on even though he had the help of mace windu and a couple of other guys.

SF newbie wrote:

Ok, so why did Mace Windu have the only purple lightsaber? Seriously, is there some Star Wars nerd answer to that?

By age fourteen, the Jedi Council was concerned with Windu, for even though he was at the top of his class, he still could not construct the lightsaber that came to him in visions multiple times. He informed the Council that he wanted a true challenge in order to find the best pieces for his lightsaber. After considering this, the Council sent Windu on his own to the world of Hurikane. While on this mission, Windu was at first chased away by the natives that resided there, but was easily able to resist them using the Force. When he caused one of the fragile natives to shatter, he sobered, and painstakingly restored it using the Force. Learning a valuable lesson about being a Jedi, the natives rewarded him with a violet-colored special crystal. He used this crystal to construct the lightsaber he had seen in his visions and it produced its distinctive violet blade.[6] He would alternate between this weapon and a blue lightsaber he created himself

Canova>God wrote:

Obi Wan Kenobi was the greatest Jedi of all time. He was never beaten in battle

Count Dooku obliterated Kenobi twice, first on Geonosis within a few seconds, then even more quickly on the droid ship. And Kenobi would have lost on the death star whether he threw the fight or not.

It took Darth Maul less than 20 seconds to disarm Obi-Wan and throw him into a hole where he dangled helplessly. Obi-Wan survived only because Maul made a cocky mistake, the same reason he survived Obi-Wan/Vader 1. Eliminate lucky breaks, and Obi-wan doesn't beat anybody. Even Grievous had him dangling helplessly and disarmed.

Luke and Leia were Vader's children and it was Vader's right as their father to teach them a balanced view of the force. Obi-wan kidnapped them and saw to it they both grew up spoiled and rebellious. Darth Sidious was a brilliant, courageous man of vision who sought to bring stability to a galaxy in turmoil. His was an empire of peace and prosperity, but Obi-wan's long campaign of terrorism and assassination attempts ruined everything. Now the galaxy will be ruled by religious fanatics and despots. Very much like modern-day Egypt.

Obi-wan's never helpless or disarmed, doesn't matter where he's thrown.

You're saying unconscious and trapped under a giant pillar isn't helpless or disarmed?

Dooku owned Obi-wan, it's ridiculous to deny that. Dooku the great.

Obi-wan is the wise character who knows exactly what he's doing. He never gets owned.

Check out the director's commentary in Episode I. Lucas says that Anakin's blood work may have been compromised by Qui Gon Jinn, and that Qui Gon's goal was to help natives of Tatooine become competitive on the intergalactic Jedi scene. To the extent that Qui Gon would tamper with midicloarian counts in order to reach this end is all speculation.

The Tatooine Project wrote:

Check out the director's commentary in Episode I. Lucas says that Anakin's blood work may have been compromised by Qui Gon Jinn, and that Qui Gon's goal was to help natives of Tatooine become competitive on the intergalactic Jedi scene. To the extent that Qui Gon would tamper with midicloarian counts in order to reach this end is all speculation.

So, is this a case of midicloarian doping or was Qui Gon giving Annakin a false positive?

I'm an optimist. I say false positive. I hope his Jedi records are clean. However, if Anakin engaged in midicloarian doping, what would he have run for 5k?

It is time to bump this thread back to the front page. Absolute brillance!

My vote is for Qui-Gon as the most overrated. Although he is refered to as one of the great masters, he was beaten fairly easily by a young and inexperienced Darth Maul. We see no other evidence of him facing other Jedi or Sith.

In Qui-Gon's defense, he did learn how to communicate from beyond the grave, transferring this skill to Obi-Wan in the time when Obi-Wan was keeping his silent vigil over a young Luke on Tatooine. There is some evidence that Obi-Wan used the skill he'd learned from Qui-Gon to guide Luke's shot which destroyed the first Death Star.

Lifetime winning percentage of .000 in battle, but had an indirect hand in the destruction of Death Star I.