no they don't, Baxter's 16:00 was a 3 mile and people have been pissing themselves of Hollander's runs in the 16:50's. The B standard is 13:27 and the A is 13:20 so run of the mill (ie someone who qualifies but doesn't make it through rounds) is slower than 13:10.
wdxx is being stupid. If people stop responding to his stupidity, he probably will stop. But maybe not, his brain might not have the capacity to understand when people are ignoring him. Hard to say.
iguess wrote:
no they don't, Baxter's 16:00 was a 3 mile and people have been pissing themselves of Hollander's runs in the 16:50's. The B standard is 13:27 and the A is 13:20 so run of the mill (ie someone who qualifies but doesn't make it through rounds) is slower than 13:10.
I'm talking about people that make the finals
My AP U.S. History teacher would always go on and on about how he and his unit would run sub 9 minute 3200meters in their combat boots.
He now resembles a fatter version of a thumb-thumb
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wddxx wrote:
A girl running 18min is ok, but it is not pretty good. She's almost half a mile behind the average top-ranked high school girl.
The girl the OP referred to runs in the mid 18s. 18:36 is 6:00 (not 6:59) pace. If she's 1/2 a mile behind the "average top-ranked" high school girl, that would mean she's 3:00 behind. So according to you the "average top-ranked" high school girl cross country runner can run a 5K XC course in about 15:30.
That's very interesting. Can you cite ANY examples of 1 high school girl ever running that fast. I'll answer that for you. NO YOU CAN'T!
The girl's high school track record for 5,000m is 15:52. I guess you might consider that to be pretty good since it's within 30 seconds of your fictitious "average top-ranked" girl. NO high school girl has ever run a 5K XC course under 16:00. I doubt any have ever done it under 16:30. (as another poster pointed out Mary Cain's time was for 3 miles)
I suspect you feel a need to denigrate the OP's girl because there's no way you'd be able to keep up with her. In fact I bet you were never able to run this fast.
A girl who can run 18:30 in high school is better than pretty good. In fact she's so good that she's going to get at least part of her college education for free. You however don't even register as OK.
While I agree 100% with what you have to say about the time. You are completely wrong about this person not registering as ok. They are pulling off some pretty good tolling right now. Well above average. I found my self wanting to reply even but knew the game was indeed being played.
Blowing.Rock Master wrote:
NO high school girl has ever run a 5K XC course under 16:00. I doubt any have ever done it under 16:30. (as another poster pointed out Mary Cain's time was for 3 miles)
Sarah Baxter, not Mary Cain.
Did you make sure and push you glasses back up the bridge of you nose when you posted that?
not a poster follow up report wrote:
I work with this nurse nearly every day and have now pissed him off. How do I convince him that he is probably confused without making him even more pissed off?
To the OP - have you worked in ERs very long?
I've worked in too many to count ERs over the years. If you keep working there, you are going to start noticing certain personality types. One prominent ER species is the fat know it all, done it all male nurse. This individual often has had, or claims to have had, extensive military service. He will have served in combat and won numerous decorations. He will have performed feats of amazing physical endurance, like your friend - he will have run fast, carried superhuman backpack loads up mountains. He also will have been a state champion something or other in high school. He will have gotten into med school but chose not to go. He will always have paid amazingly low prices for everything, from his car to his house.
I have met this same guy in virtually every ER I've ever worked in.
I can assure you it is futile to argue with him or persuade him. He lives in a different world. Your best bet is to smile and pat him on the back and get back to your patients. He isn't going to change - guaranteed.
Blowing.Rock Master wrote:
wddxx wrote:A girl running 18min is ok, but it is not pretty good. She's almost half a mile behind the average top-ranked high school girl.
The girl the OP referred to runs in the mid 18s. 18:36 is 6:00 (not 6:59) pace. If she's 1/2 a mile behind the "average top-ranked" high school girl, that would mean she's 3:00 behind. So according to you the "average top-ranked" high school girl cross country runner can run a 5K XC course in about 15:30.
That's very interesting. Can you cite ANY examples of 1 high school girl ever running that fast. I'll answer that for you. NO YOU CAN'T!
The girl's high school track record for 5,000m is 15:52. I guess you might consider that to be pretty good since it's within 30 seconds of your fictitious "average top-ranked" girl. NO high school girl has ever run a 5K XC course under 16:00. I doubt any have ever done it under 16:30. (as another poster pointed out Mary Cain's time was for 3 miles)
I suspect you feel a need to denigrate the OP's girl because there's no way you'd be able to keep up with her. In fact I bet you were never able to run this fast.
A girl who can run 18:30 in high school is better than pretty good. In fact she's so good that she's going to get at least part of her college education for free. You however don't even register as OK.
No, I said that she'd be about half a mile back. 2:30 minutes at 16:00 pace is about half a mile. I'm right, you're wrong.
To me, a girl who runs 18:30 is certainly not better than pretty good. To me, there are only two classes above pretty good. Those are great and exceptional. 18:30 is neither.
Earning a college scholarship does not by itself mean she's pretty good. I know 17:30 boys that have gotten college scholarships for running. For girls, I know 21:00 girls that have gotten college xc scholarships. Surely, they are not pretty good.
You don't know how fast I am so you don't know if I'm ok or not.
wddxx wrote:
You don't know how fast I am so you don't know if I'm ok or not.
We do all know you are a jackweed Ftard idiot now by your ability to type on a keyboard. How fast you can or cannot run will not help you in this regard.
unless he was a SEAL back in the day, he almost certainly was confused. So he actually meant to say that he ran 6 miles at a 7 min. pace(and that was on a good day)....and he felt like he was flying! Those were sum goood ol' days....back when he was 50 lbs. lighter and had all his army buds with him. Wow. He really misses those days--such comaraderie. 'Bout time for a 50 lbs. lighter reunion...
sgt. york wrote:
unless he was a SEAL back in the day, he almost certainly was confused. So he actually meant to say that he ran 6 miles at a 7 min. pace(and that was on a good day)....and he felt like he was flying! Those were sum goood ol' days....back when he was 50 lbs. lighter and had all his army buds with him. Wow. He really misses those days--such comaraderie. 'Bout time for a 50 lbs. lighter reunion...
Why do you all think all military guys cant run 6 minute pace? Wasn't Paul McMullen in the military? Didn't one of the recent footlocker champs join the military right after highschool?
Look. Just to help the original OP out a bit, I have GOT to add in my two cents.
I trained for two years every day with a sponsored athletic group. We had PR's for guys that ranged from 1:46 in the 800m to 1:03 in the half-marathon, and at one point had 5 guys that had gone under 4 min in the mile.
6 minutes per mile was not an everyday thing. During long runs we would average over that, and steady state runs were somewhere in the 5:15-5:30 range, never exceeding 10 miles.
So for your co-worker who claims that he and his military buddies used to run "6 minute miles all the time", he is just plain full of s***. You can laugh in his pathetic face and walk away with your head held high. Seriously, that pace is "easy" only in races. In every day training, 6 min/mile never quite feels comfortable, even for athletes that run under 5 min pace in long distance races. Joe-blow is not going to be able to maintain that pace easily as part of his daily workout.
And by the way, 18 min for 5k, for a HIGH SCHOOl GIRL is damn impressive. Any college coach outside of the top 5 DI would recruit her, end of story.
Your co-worker either does not remember his old training times, or recalls one or two PT sessions where he cracked 7 min for a mile, and tells himself that was an everyday occurrence. He is a joke.
RRRR wrote:
Look. Just to help the original OP out a bit, I have GOT to add in my two cents.
I trained for two years every day with a sponsored athletic group. We had PR's for guys that ranged from 1:46 in the 800m to 1:03 in the half-marathon, and at one point had 5 guys that had gone under 4 min in the mile.
6 minutes per mile was not an everyday thing. During long runs we would average over that, and steady state runs were somewhere in the 5:15-5:30 range, never exceeding 10 miles.
So for your co-worker who claims that he and his military buddies used to run "6 minute miles all the time", he is just plain full of s***. You can laugh in his pathetic face and walk away with your head held high. Seriously, that pace is "easy" only in races. In every day training, 6 min/mile never quite feels comfortable, even for athletes that run under 5 min pace in long distance races. Joe-blow is not going to be able to maintain that pace easily as part of his daily workout.
And by the way, 18 min for 5k, for a HIGH SCHOOl GIRL is damn impressive. Any college coach outside of the top 5 DI would recruit her, end of story.
Your co-worker either does not remember his old training times, or recalls one or two PT sessions where he cracked 7 min for a mile, and tells himself that was an everyday occurrence. He is a joke.
Your experiences indicate that six minute miles could easily have been a common thing for 7 mile runs.
18.5 minutes for a high school girl is like 16 something for a boy. Is 16 something for a boy just as impressive? Surely no. Both are ok times.
this has got to be by far the most pedantic argument ever on letsrun. that\'s saying something.
18.5 and 16 minutes are very impressive. We live in a very small world nowadays where it's easy to compare millions of people at once. In my area the average high school with 2000 kids might have 1 of each gender running that time. Who cares whether others hypothetically could have run those times, they didn't and couldn't.
wddxx wrote:
Your experiences indicate that six minute miles could easily have been a common thing for 7 mile runs.
18.5 minutes for a high school girl is like 16 something for a boy. Is 16 something for a boy just as impressive? Surely no. Both are ok times.
To answer your question, I'd say both times are pretty good.
Too funny - the guy was training with borderline elites, states six minute miles definitely weren't everyday run pace, and you tell him they easily could have been? Thanks for straightening him out, lol.
Guys who used to be in the military are the worst for running stories
I've heard under 14 mins for 5km run and all sorts of crap. This was some girls dad then her boyfriend who used to be a rugby player jopins in and said he did 10 x 400m in 60 seconds on short recs. I told him that he was talking crap and Ethiopian runners can't all do that
My dad used to be a runner, if I ask him what times he used to run and apart from 100m (well yards) he can't remember. He did loads of running and races but these guys who went on couple of runs are so specific
The best one ever was in my first job working in a factory. Some guy there was training for the army and doing 10 miles training runs in '52 mins'. He was at least 3st overweight.
Another story on him shows what sort of person you are dealing with. Practically his first words to me where 'I've been done by police for GBH' (grievous bodily harm). Nice. Then he joins the army and leaves the factory. A year later the 1st Iraq war in on and there is some peace demo on tv. Who is there leading the peace protest, our 52 minute GBH hero
So I think it goes deeper than that, if they are lying on one thing they are lying on everything and the sort of jerks you want to avoid
If he is over 50 then he is probable mostly correct.
