The more I read about this situation, the more convinced I am that the best solution was not more guns, but simply charging the shooter, and physically taking him down. Nothing fancy, just two or three brave people rushing the shooter, and stopping him. Yes, maybe one of them would get shot, but no shooter would ever hit multiple targets closing down from short range.
Nothing is perfect, but this is good, and a lot better than shooting back.
buffet rule not wrote:
Muzzle Flash wrote:You cannot hide the muzzle flash from a weapon. Holmes could have been killed with return fire from an AR-15 or other high-powered bolt-action / assault-rifle directed at his muzzle flash. Body armor cannot stop an AR-15 round. Holmes would have been killed.
eventually the rifler toters would have gotten him but they also would have taken out many more innocent people. i really don't think you have any idea what it's like to be in a dark theater, filled with smoke, chaos with people running and jumping all over the place, and a shooter dressed in all black. a trained sniper would have had a hard time taking out the shooter on the first shot without collateral damage. you also omitted how many other innocent people would be killed in other incidents if many people were armed with assault rifles on a daily basis. most people don't know how to drive a car properly so the last thing i would want would be for the same bunch of idiots toting military style guns everywhere.
I, for one, never leave my house without thermal imaging goggles. Quite handy in this type of situation.
one last act of good doesn't erase a life full of sins.
What can one say about young men who would instantly, in a fraction of a second, step in front to give their life to protect another. Virtues and character recognized thru out history and so far beyond me...I am embarrassed. My father told me of WWII and those who did as these young men did. They called those of WWII the greatest generation. This young generation coming up...I think is very very special. I am so proud of them. God bless them all.
"And each man stand with his face in the light of his own drawn sword. Ready to do what he can."
Elizabeth Browning.
the conditions would have made taking him out difficult and costly in life as well. more importantly it is the ease with which people like this can load up on multiple guns and 3500 rounds of ammunition, plus kevlar body armor, that enable massacres. the more guns you have on people, the easier it is for people to fire them. the idea that arming other people will prevent or lessen these events is ludicrous, simply because the greater supply increases the chances of the events, making them possible and even easy, and the response with guns can occur only after people are already getting killed (in almost all cases) and will usually result in unintended deaths anyway. And even more importantly, this and other recent massacres occurred in places where it is legal to have concealed weapons and many people carry them around, yet they've not helped anyone yet. If it does happen at some point, it's certainly not going to make up for the increased frequency of gun deaths. 100,000 gun deaths a year??? Crazy is when you repeatedly do something that makes no sense whatsoever.
setting bombs happens but rarely works and you don't find a lot of suicide bombers in our country, fortunately.
TrackGuy336 wrote:
That is the ultimate sacrifice but one I would make in a heartbeat. If such a heaven, paradise, or whatever it is does exist, these guys are going there!
What if they were sinners and simply hugging their GFs out of fear and were the ones shot? Will they go to Heaven?
ronner wrote:
Holmes is from Castroville wrote:James' body armor would have stopped a pistol round but would not have stopped a high powered rifle round whether if it was from a bolt-action .30-06 or a .308 / 7.62mm NATO round.
Admittedly, I know little about guns and body armor. But even if a pistol couldn't penetrate James' body armor, wouldn't a round knock him down and hurt him, and pretty much stop or slow down his shooting spree? And if you could knock him down with one round, couldn't you shoot him again and pretty much end the shooting spree? Any one know?
The fact that he wore body armor is telling. He was afraid of getting shot. If someone had been firing at him, he probably would have ducked down to avoid getting hit. People do not like getting hit by bullets even if they are wearing body armor. Anyone who has been in combat wearing body armor knows this. You do not become Superman because you have some protection. He might have fled out of fear if he was taking hits to the armor. His face was wearing a gas mask and was vulnerable head shot if someone was a marksman. He surrendered to the police without a fight so he was a coward who was afraid of being killed. Legally armed good guys would have saved lives if they had been returning fire.
Watched It wrote:
No that agent didn't block the bullet intentionally. He happened to be standing in the path and crouched down startled and panickly. Brady and Reagan got shot due to the cowardice of the Secret Service. That video is a disgusting Chinese Firedrill. No wonder the Secret Service buys prostitutes. What a terrible disgrace that video shows the Secret Service to have become. The last great soldiers the U.S. had was the Union Army.
What are you like in real life? You sound like a total weirdo with that thing you tried to pass off as a paragraph above.
Did any girl die to save another girl? Would they?
I'd take a bullet for anyone, I hate my life and have hated it for well over 10 years, every waking day grows worse, and I become less and less human and more machine. Taking a bullet for someone would at least all me to contribute SOMETHING positive and also leave this wretched existence behind me.
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The Body Guard wrote:
Similar to those three guys, when Ronald Reagan was shot by John Hinkley, Jr, the Secret Service agents dove onto Reagan trying to avoid being shot (which they were not).
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Reagan's body guards were smart to duck and cover when Hinckly opened fire. Reagan was an elderly President, had lived a complete life, and would have been devastated if someone died in his place. The U.S. is not an Anime cartoon with a Samurai Warrior Class of suicide bombers.
bcta wrote:
I'd take a bullet for anyone, I hate my life and have hated it for well over 10 years, every waking day grows worse, and I become less and less human and more machine. Taking a bullet for someone would at least all me to contribute SOMETHING positive and also leave this wretched existence behind me.
You'd probably end up taking a bullet for Jerry Sandusky.
I wouldnt let anyone take a bullet for me. F'him.
Asailtwhat. wrote:
Out of 84 people that work in my bldg...41 carry concealed permit.
So the other 43 either have penises larger than 5" or they are women.
weary ramblers bones wrote:
Asailtwhat. wrote:Out of 84 people that work in my bldg...41 carry concealed permit.
So the other 43 either have penises larger than 5" or they are women.
+1
guns don't kill people wrote:
So the other 43 either have penises larger than 5" or they are women.
We will leave that up to you to do the research and find out the answer, I am sure you will enjoy your work.
Meanwhile...
2,000 miles away another stupid person does something stupid
http://www.wcsh6.com/news/article/208306/314/State-Police-seize-guns-from-Biddeford-man?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Cbc%7ClargeI like how he was going 112 miles per hour and yet the cops still managed to catch him and pull him over.
His mug shot makes him look like Patton Oswalt.
Remember, food doesn't make people fat, spoons do.
For all you experts on American history don't forget the 2nd amendment allows us the right to bear arms. So all you libtards are not going to ban guns, but I'd be up for increased scrutiny on those background checks...say an I.Q. test?
running maineac wrote:
Remember, food doesn't make people fat, spoons do.
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Well...they would be difficult to digest....
what would you do with an AED in this situation? Club batman with it? Throw it at him? McGyver some sort of improvised missle launcher out of it?
all you need is some pocket artillery, aka Desert Eagle .44 Magnum, baby!
Is that a desert eagle in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?
OK, I'm right behind you!
ready.....go!