I was mainly reffering to when he won ncaa cross. He hadn't shaved for a while and I remember thinking "wow, dude doesn't have much facial hair". Perhaps someone can post a pic?
Then in the flotrack thing, he's got a pretty heavy beard going. I realize that, yes, he's aged, but the difference in facial hair seemed a bit too much to me. I'll try to pull the pictures, but someone else could too.
So yeah my main comparison is when he won ncaa cross to the flotrack interview from the NYC 5k.
This is how we decide these matters, now? A show of hands by people who have nothing to go on but conjecture?
Isn't testosterone use associated with decreased wound healing and increased hypersensitivity reactions? Could all of Ritz's "injuries" have been a result of adverse reactions from altered testosterone levels in his blood?
Before Balco was blow up years ago they had lots of testimonials on the website from folks like Kelly White and Marion Jones. Alberto gave one of those testimonials. When you lie with dogs...
Balco wrote:
Before Balco was blow up years ago they had lots of testimonials on the website from folks like Kelly White and Marion Jones. Alberto gave one of those testimonials. When you lie with dogs...
Lots of professioanl athletes were Balco customers long before and during the time Balco got involved in PEDS. Bay Area Labs was a respected nutritional supplement company with many non PED related products.
If the groups were Russian or Chinese I think everyone would be pointing the figure. Luckily, Americans never cheat at sport.
In fairness though Farah's progress has been steady according to this:
http://www.chosenrunning.com/blog/2011/6/8/the-progression-of-mo-farah.html
Kenyan runners dont get the same opportunity to progress steadily, because if they run 13:01 one year and 13:12 the next they prob wont get invited back to a Diamond League race. Whereas a 'name' Euro or US runner would get the chance to keep coming back.
Pointing the finger
Bullshit.
Alberto is an intelligent guy.
He was not after BALCOs nutritional supplements, thats for sure.
Pentagon militants are raping Afghan and Iraqi kids by the hundreds each and every day.
Obama funds 100% of Israel's defense and civilian occupation.
Israel maintains concentration camps where millions of Palestinians are raped and tortured.
And you want Joe Paterno to pay for the sins of the Pentagon and Obama ? Give me a break!
This is a dumb thread!
Nike is a multibillion dollar corporation, with one the world most respected brands; you would have to be crazy to think Nike would promote, sponsor and tie itself to a group of dopers in one of its lower revenue producing sports. I spent most of my career working for large corporations and I know how they think and here is what I can tell you; if Nike had any suspicions that Jerry or AlSal's athletes were doping, to not address that would be like intentional suicide.
Also, the across the board performances and improvements among OTC athletes is good, but not nearly good enough to suggest there something artificial. With about 60 athletes over a 10 year period, Nike Oregon Project/OTC Elite have only had about 6-7 great performances…if there is systematic drug use, then they aren’t doing a good job of it.
This should end this thread, but it probably won’t because some people are just plain silly.
Call me plain silly, but what about Lance Armstrong? If Nike haven't had 'suspicions' about him for years they would be plain silly, but they have stuck with him
Facts Jack wrote:
splits wrote:Solinsky going from 13:12 to 12:55 in one year is not suspicious but Farah going from 12:57 to 12:53 is?
Salazar's group is very open about what they do.
Schumacher's group is a black hole. If anyone were doping, it'd probably be the black hole.
Solisnky ran 13:12 in 2007 the summer after college. Having three years training like a professional runner instead of like a college runner is going to really help one improve.
His PR was 13:12 in 2009 and 12:55 in 2010. No matter what the back story is, that is a 17 second improvement in 1 year. Your counter should not have been to validate Solinksy's time but to point out that Ritz did roughly the same thing. But in any case, I don't think either group is doping.
many Africans improve more than 17secs at that level.
Neither are doping.
You sure stepped in it with that one, Track Coach.
What about Nike and Lance?
What's your take?
Dathan Ritzenheim before joining Salazar
http://static2.stuff.co.nz/1319052433/834/5814834.jpg
and after
I think that confirms it.
salazar is a christian, therefore i have faith he doesnt dope.
Randy Oldman wrote:
Dathan Ritzenheim before joining Salazar
http://static2.stuff.co.nz/1319052433/834/5814834.jpg
WTF is going on there?
Junk Master wrote:
You sure stepped in it with that one, Track Coach.
What about Nike and Lance?
What's your take?
First off, there is no proof that ever Lance took PEDS.
Second, there is a difference between OTC and Lance, Lance's relationship with Nike as an endorser, whereas OTC athletes are trained by Nike employees and use Nike facilities and at one point used the Nike name "Nike Oregon Project".
A serious question, is this talk about America's elite distance runners being on PEDs just stupid juvenile Letsrun banter -or are you an intelligent adult and serious minded person?
It depends on how you define doping! Taking pills that are on the WADA's list?
I guess they use "medicine" that will be on that list maybe in 10 years or later.
So no and no they aren't doping...they are professionals and we haven't even heard of the stuff that they’ve already been using...
It is just “funny” when they try to explain their improvements with harder training, new environment and these kinds of things. That is BS. They got some new vitamins…
qiuet wrote:
The biggest case against Salazar is Farah. Can anyone else name an African who went from 13:07 to 12:53 between the ages of 26 and 28?
He ran sub 13 before joining Al Sal
