1200 Hypothetical: Ngeny vs El Guerrouj vs Coe

said88 wrote:I`ve learned to use my brain; and I always use it before I write something

clearly not

That El Guerrouj was faster over 1500m in 98 than Morceli was in 93 gives no indication that he also is faster over 1000m

er...

that's why i picked morceli

primarily a 1500 guy with superb over-distance & nothing special over 800 - like hicham

their 1k is highly likely to be ~ proportionate to their relative 1500s

Coe in 81 was (much) faster over 800m than Juantorena in 76 - but still I doubt very much he was capable of a 400m in 44,26.

you are clueless

morceli/hicham had comparable times for 1500/mile/2k/3k & therefore it is perfectly reasonable to compare them at distances outside those

coe/caballo barely have 1 distance that is comparable - the 800 & that's only because they were successive 800wr holders, but coe's 1.7s removal of it hardly justifies caballo even being compared to him at 800

as for 400 there is no comparison at all

ventolin^3 wrote:

said88 wrote:I`ve learned to use my brain; and I always use it before I write something

clearly not

Is it possible for you to conversate friendly with someone? Even this person - in your opinion - is not on your intelectuel level?

Morceli has run 800m in 1:44,79 - world class. El Guerrouj never has done this. Yes, I (even I) know that his PB of 1:47,18 is way of his capabilities. But both of us don`t know his capabilities over 800m. Morceli run 1:44,85 3 days after winning the 5000m in Zürich, so he probably also was capable of 1:44,5 or faster in 94. And in 93?

That El G was capable of running faster than 2:14,8 over 1000m is not a question. The question is: how much faster. And here it seems we differ. You are sure he was capable of close to 2:12 (right?). I say no, that`s not sure.

said88 wrote:Morceli has run 800m in 1:44,79 - world class

no

i call 1'43 world-class

Morceli run 1:44,85 3 days after winning the 5000m in Zürich, so he probably also was capable of 1:44,5 or faster in 94

& his 1500 best was 3'30.61

think now, carefully, what woud you expect from a 3'26.0 guy with overall similar characteristics from 1500 - 3k

And in 93?

offer a number

That El G was capable of running faster than 2:14,8 over 1000m is not a question. The question is: how much faster. And here it seems we differ. You are sure he was capable of close to 2:12 (right?)

learn to read

i gave my answer on the 1st page

ventolin^3 wrote:

learn to read

i gave my answer on the 1st page

OK, you have shown me very clearly you are not able or willing to conversate friendly.

I don`t know all of your posts which you have ever done.

A normal answer would be: "..look at the first page where I already...".

I don`t believe that Hicham El Guerouj was capable of a 1000m WR. That`s the simple fact. In your opinion I`m stupid because of that. That`s OK.

if you are too stoopid to argue with another guy without even bothering to read their posts, yes, you are going to get hammered

ventolin^3 wrote:

if you are too stoopid to argue with another guy without even bothering to read their posts, yes, you are going to get hammered

Oh my god!

[quote]longjack wrote:

Got to give both Coe and El-G 53(low) sec all the way.

add...

1200 m @ 2:40 (53.3 x 3)

said88 wrote:

Don`t know. Since he hasn`t run below 1500 at all it`s just speculation. Maybe 2:14 low and 1:44 low or 1:43 high???

And what reasoning are you using to arrive at that?

El G

No doubt, El G. The mile and the 12 are the same balance of energy systems, and he was the best all-time here.

I remember a commentator, think it was Lewis Johnson, talking about the pace requests he would make...2:45, 2:46. Lewis, a former rabbit himself, laughed and said it was ridiculus because El G was the only one who could run that split.

2 other candidates for inclusion in this race is Ryun 2:46 last 1200 in a 1500m race and Peter Elliott 2:45 in a time trial prior to 1990 Commonwealth Games.

:|} wrote:

said88 wrote:

Don`t know. Since he hasn`t run below 1500 at all it`s just speculation. Maybe 2:14 low and 1:44 low or 1:43 high???

And what reasoning are you using to arrive at that?

As I said, all is just speculation. He hasn`t run the distances at all after 1995. But from his results over the distances which he had in 1995 it seems obvious that he wasn`t nearly as good here as he was over 1500m/Mile. Probably that`s why he never tried them again and instead choose to try the longer events.

A runner like Bernard Lagat for ex., who has times not so much behind El Gs from 1500m to 5000m only has a 1000 PB of 2:16,25 and 800 PB of 1:46,02. This might not to be his ultimate potential here, but definitely he was not close to some records here. As I said, it`s all just speculation, but I still don`t see El G as a possible 1000 WR breaker.

I sometimes wonder how fast the Brits would run a DMR with all those studs of the 1980's.

For the 1200, I would def go with my man Seb Coe, around 2:40/2:41!

HELP on speculation 1500m runners without 800 or 1k data.

if you can run a world record at 150m, how do you think you'll do at 100.

if you can run a world record at 800m, how do you think you will at 600m.

if you can run a world record at 3000m how do you think you will do at 2000m.

so if el g or lagat runs 327 at 1500.

they will do what at 1000?

you got it, a second or two off the world record.

and with focus, THE world record.

"Morceli ran 2.13,7 in the same year as 3.29,2."

You have a selective memory. His best mile time

was(93) 3.44,39 -> 3.27,7 1500m. Your memory is

brilliant. The problem is, it is short!

when he was a 3'31 guy

the only obvious thing is that he wasn't capable of the 800 record

as for 1k :

learn something :

the 1k wr holder is a miler

nonsense speculation

only thing that is certain is that he coudn't break the 800wr

idiot

you do realise that his 3'26.34 is 2'17.56 pace & with observation that he went 53 in the last lap of his pb, his fastest composite 1k was at worst 2'16 in that race & more like 2'15

as for 800, he went 1'46 in last 800 of athens 1500

your arguments using pb offer nothing

you have to be an idiot to even mention such a blatantly obvious statement

there is speculation & there is your drivel

learn again :

the 1k wr holder is a 1500 guy

El G has to be the favorite here! It's only 300 meters off his absolutely dominant distance.

As for the 1k, he was certainly at least CAPABLE of the world record. In an 800 he doesn't really have enough time to get rolling and a really fast opening 200 probably hurts him. But a 1k is just long enough. If he ran 2:14 in a 3:29 race, he's running 2:12 easily!

the 1k wr holder is a miler

Good to learn that Mal Whitfield, Audun Boysen, Dan Waern, Peter Snell, Franz-Josef Kemper, Dani Malan, Rick Wohlhuter, Sebastian Coe all were milers.

none of those guys are the 1km wr holder