AWESOME, AWESOME, AWESOME - A Fist Pumping morning!! Men's & women's race. Went out and crushed a 9 miler immediately after. My new running mantra for the future "Hall, Davilla, Hall, Davilla,....."
AWESOME, AWESOME, AWESOME - A Fist Pumping morning!! Men's & women's race. Went out and crushed a 9 miler immediately after. My new running mantra for the future "Hall, Davilla, Hall, Davilla,....."
WooHoo!! A new record for Ryan. Too bad the Kenyan dude didn't get a record. God was on America's side this time.
As for those people whiining about the wind, remember the Lord moves in mysterious ways. This time, he was the wind beneath Ryan's wings.
Go Ryan!!
Oh my lord wrote:
mariner wrote:That's a 2:06.53 with wind conversion.
Irrelevant point is irrelevant. No one cares if it's windy, rainy, sunny, cloudy, cold, warm, hilly, flat, sleeting, snowing...If you run the time, you run the damn time.
Ryan just hushed a lot of the haters.
A 2:06:53 on Boston course is phenomenal, and would have won most years.
Hall ran 2:08 in London after his AR half-marathon performance.
I think he followed Mutai and Mosop, actually.
run like your ass is on fire wrote:
Ryan Hall just proved me wrong! Good job, a part of me wanted you to crush it.
Hindsight is always 20/20, eh?
Nah, just kidding. He deserves the credit he's given.
sorry to rain on your parade wrote:
"A near-20 mph tailwind might chop three or four minutes off someone's finishing time. A sub-2:03:59 clocking wouldn't actually shock me. I'll tell you this - if Boston had rabbits and the field that is assembled for the 2011 London marathon was running with a time bonus on the line, I'd actually be a little surprised if someone didn't run the fastest marathon time ever recorded."
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http://www.letsrun.com/saveBased on this analysis, did Hall even PR, I mean the Brojo's coach, JK, is basically saying that Hall ran a 2:07 high or 2:08 high. it's good dont get me wrong, but not a PR, and certainly not an AR
This may be true, but it's on Boston's course. Boston is not a very fast course without the wind, as shown by its history. With that in mind, this is AT LEAST Ryan's best run on the Boston course, and taken that he just ran 63:53 a few weeks ago, that is phenomenal improvement, and shows that he's doing something right! You have to take it in context, and no matter how you look at it, this ways a really good run.
Oh my lord wrote:
mariner wrote:That's a 2:06.53 with wind conversion.
Irrelevant point is irrelevant. No one cares if it's windy, rainy, sunny, cloudy, cold, warm, hilly, flat, sleeting, snowing...If you run the time, you run the damn time.
Ryan just hushed a lot of the haters.
No, the point is very relevant - that's why Boston times aren't counted in the record books - it's slightly downhill and today you had the wind...no one is being a hater for pointing this out...very fast nevertheless...
malmo wrote: There have been TWO Bostons in the last 30 years in which there have been a tailwind.
Is this data recorded somewhere?
To put Ryan Hall ahead of Bill Rodgers, are you kidding me!!! Ryan ran splendid as many people did in better then ideal conditions but if you put a 30 year old Rodgers against Hall or anyone else from now, I'm putting my money on Bill! He was one of the most tenacious runners I ever competed against, hands down!
kudzurunner wrote:
Hall ran sub-2:05, wind-aided or not. He was beaten by almost two minutes. BUT he beat some East African badasses, to, and by more than a minute. Why didn't the wind help them?
kudzurnner, get a grip.
2:05:52 1 Robert Cheruiyot 2010
2:07:14 1 Robert Cheruiyot 2006
2:07:15 1 Cosmas N'Deti 1994 another wind-aided year
2:07:19 2 Andrés Perez Espinosa 1994
2:07:23 2 Kebede Tekeste 2010
2:07:34 1 Moses Tanui 1998
2:07:37 2 Joseph Chebet 1998
2:07:46 1 Robert Cheruiyot 2008
2:07:51 1 Robert de Castella 1986
2:07:52 3 Gert Thys 1998
2:08:08 3 Jackson Kipng'ok 1994
2:08:09 4 Hwang Young-Cho 1994
2:08:14 1 Ibrahim Hussein 1992
2:08:19 1 Gelindo Bordin 1990
2:03:02 1 Geoffrey Mutai 2011
2:03:06 2 Moses Mosop 2:03:06
2:04:53 3 Geb Geb 2011
2:04:58 4 Ryan Hall 2011
2:06:13 5 Abreham Cherkos 2011
2:06:43 6 Robert Cheruiyot 2011
2:07:10 7 Phillip Sanga 2011
2:07:39 8 Deressa Chimsa 2011
2:08:03 9 Bekana Daba 2011
2:08:44 10 Robert Chipkumba 2011
kudzurunner wrote:
If not the AR, this remains the all-time American best. It beats Robert K. Cheriyot's stunning then-record of 2:07:14 by two minutes and 17 seconds. It beats last year's even more stunning sub-2:06 by almost a minute. .
It is neither an AR nor an alltime best.
"I don't care if it is considered a record," Hall said. "All I know is that I am a 2:04 marathoner, and that is something I will be proud of for the rest of my career." - Ryan Hall
Well said. 12th fastest marathoner of all time. Before this weekend he would have been 8th fastest.
Here's one way to think of Hall's performance vis-a-vis the "American Record" or "American Best". If you were an elite American marathoner, would you rather:
A) Go back in time and try to beat Hall running a 2:04:57 in this morning's Boston Marathon (so identical weather and race, except you're in it)?
OR
B) Go back to the 2002 London Marathon and try to beat Khalid running his 2:05:38?
And you could probably come up with some other races/times to toss in the mix along with those two.
So one way of thinking about the "best American marathon" would be to say okay, if you were an elite marathoner and your life depended on finishing as the first American, which marathon would be your last choice to run in? Whose performance would you least want to go up against?
This is correct. He beat last year's winner by almost 2 minutes. He was 5 seconds behind Gebre. and almost 2 1/2 minutes in front of Ndeti's comparable and best performance in 1994. The pedantic posts to the contrary lack clarity. Well done and great performance.
clearing the bs up wrote:
"I don't care if it is considered a record," Hall said. "All I know is that I am a 2:04 marathoner, and that is something I will be proud of for the rest of my career." - Ryan Hall
Well said. 12th fastest marathoner of all time. Before this weekend he would have been 8th fastest.
knox harrington wrote:
Is this data recorded somewhere?
weatherunderground,
SomeActualData wrote:
Here's one way to think of Hall's performance vis-a-vis the "American Record" or "American Best". If you were an elite American marathoner, would you rather:
A) Go back in time and try to beat Hall running a 2:04:57 in this morning's Boston Marathon (so identical weather and race, except you're in it)?
OR
B) Go back to the 2002 London Marathon and try to beat Khalid running his 2:05:38?
Without a shred of a doubt, B.
Khalid won the world's biggest marathon, beat Tergat and Geb and set a (legit) WR in the process. Times will keep getting faster but it's hard to imagine any performance ever eclipsing what KK did that day.
Ryan 'The Man' Hall:
Fastest American over the marathon distance.
malmo and others can try and piss on Hall's parade today but who cares. He ran a great race and knowledgeable elites and other running brethern recognize, honor and applaud that.
Hear ye go:Ryan 'The Man' Hall:"Fastest American marathoner."
yeah buddy wrote:
Ryan 'The Man' Hall:
Fastest American over the marathon distance.
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