Your Top Three 10000m runners All-Time, Lady easily runs 4:28.67 last 1600m of a 10000m

jennifer cruz wrote:Again, Ventolin, you are invariably utilizing numbers to manipulate them to make preconceived points.

For example, you overlook the fact that in Aouita's first 5000 world record his km splits were: 2:35.14, 2:38.68, 2:37.18, 2:41.16, and 2:28.24. IF it served your argument, you'd probably flatten those out to say Aouita could have run something like 12:53, which would then improve his 10,000 potential, and so on....but, NO, you handpick numbers and then alter them here and there to craft an argument...

did you ever see him run ?

go look at the 13'00wr

he just ambled along following the slowing pace after 3k & just kicked in a 55s to run 13'00

he made no effort to take the race by the balls like moorcroft/geb/komen/kennster did & make the long solo drive from 2k out to get the best possible time

you are a fool if you didn't think he had at least 12'55 in him that day

Moron, of course I think he could have run 12:55 or faster. That is my point. Give him a 12:53 and then you'd see that he had potential for faster than 27:26. Aouita could have run 27:10 if he'd tried, and still been able to run low 1:44.

jennifer cruz wrote:Also Ventolin, if you look at your own post, you're already giving Aouita a sub 3:27, since he ran 27:26, and you were saying he'd have to be able to run 3:27.00 in order to run 27:29. It's like you're not even thinking when you post this crap.

moron

learn to read

i said he wouda needed mid-3'26 ability off 1'43.25 to approach 27'15

when he ran 27'26, he was NOT in 1'43.25 shape

he doesn't even have a recorded run <3'33 that year

he'd given up his 1500 speed to concentrate on 5k/10k that year

there was no point running 1500 that year if concentrating on 5k/10k as he wouda been humiliated by coe/cram running 3'29/3'30 that year

No, again Ventolin, you lie and twist and distort...Aouita's 1:43.86 had close to perfect splits, as the leader split low 50 and Aouita was probably 50.7 or so. Nothing wrong with those splits. Secondly, Aouita was not running in lane 2, except for the last straight. Third, he never had to lead until the very end, which of course negated any extra running he did, which was insignificant.

ventolin^3 wrote:

when he ran 27'26, he was NOT in 1'43.25 shape

Moron, there is NO proof he ever was, except in your delusional head...

jennifer cruz wrote:Moron, of course I think he could have run 12:55 or faster. That is my point. Give him a 12:53 and then you'd see that he had potential for faster than 27:26. Aouita could have run 27:10 if he'd tried, and still been able to run low 1:44.

no chance

27'10 with

1'44.50 ->3'28.0 , 4'44.7 , 7'22.7 , 12'50.5

1'44.25 ->3'27.6 , 4'44.3 , 7'22.2 , 12'50.1

1'44.00 ->3'27.3 , 4'43.9 , 7'21.8 , 12'49.7

look up his best 800/1500/1 mile in '86...

jennifer cruz wrote:

ventolin^3 wrote:

when he ran 27'26, he was NOT in 1'43.25 shape

Moron, there is NO proof he ever was, except in your delusional head...

idiot

what was his 800 or 1500 or mile best in '86 ???

i'll take any as measure of his speed that year

ventolin^3 wrote:

jennifer cruz wrote:

Moron, there is NO proof he ever was, except in your delusional head...

idiot

what was his 800 or 1500 or mile best in '86 ???

i'll take any as measure of his speed that year

Listen, imbecile, it is true that Aouita was struggling with recurrent upper leg pain in 1986 and of course he had been spiked in that 10,000. He wasn't able to do the real fast training he needed. However, he still ran 3:50.33 when his pacesetters went out way too fast, splitting 54 and 1:51.1. Aouita still ran a 7:32.54 in Zurich and a 7:32.23 in Cologne with a 56.8 last lap, so it is likely in 1986 that Aouita could have gone 3:31, especially when he ran 3:46 in 85 and 87.

Yeahhh. 29:31 with the last 5k in 14:26 ! However 3 years later she lost for Fernanda Ribeiro on Atlanta Olympics with a 31:01 minutes run what is 1min30secs slower of his erlier 29:31 !

Women 10000m Olympic Games Atlanta (USA) 1996

Final Team Time

1. Fernanda Ribeiro POR 31:01.63

2. Junxia Wang CHN 31:02.58

Conclusion. On Atlanta she forgets to take the same medicine she took in 1993 World Champ.

jennifer cruz wrote:Listen, imbecile, it is true that Aouita was struggling with recurrent upper leg pain in 1986 and of course he had been spiked in that 10,000. He wasn't able to do the real fast training he needed. However, he still ran 3:50.33 when his pacesetters went out way too fast, splitting 54 and 1:51.1. Aouita still ran a 7:32.54 in Zurich and a 7:32.23 in Cologne with a 56.8 last lap, so it is likely in 1986 that Aouita could have gone 3:31, especially when he ran 3:46 in 85 and 87.

moron

he was spiked during a 10k race in middle of '86 season NOT in the off-season of late '85/early '86 when he wouda been training for '86 season

a potential 3'49 mile only equates to 3'32-flat with standard 1.08 conversion

he didn't have the speed in '86 to frighten coe/cram over 1500, let alone 800 & had to stick to over-distance & what he did for a mile in '85 or '87 has NO bearing on his mile ability in '86

being generous to him & offering him in '86 : 3'49 / 12'55 - 12'57.5

3'49.0 / 12'57.5 ->1'47.3 , 3'32.2 , 4'49.6 , 7'28.6 , 27'15.7

3'49.0 / 12'55.0 ->1'47.5 , 3'32.2 , 4'49.4 , 7'27.8 , 27'07.7

he had potential to break 10k wr, but his 800 wouda been paltry

But do you think Ribiero could have doubled up like Wang attempted to do? I remember reading Wang had to run 20,000m in 3 days or something similarly stupid, with only a day's break before the 10k final, in close to 100 degree heat to boot. That takes some doing. You only have to look at Defar's recent troubles in attempting to double-up to see that running sub-30 and having exceptional PB's doesn't make victiory a formality. The conditions in Atlanta were atrocious.

Granted, she may not have been in 29:30 shape, but the fact remains that she was the most successful female distance runner at those games. While you can never say for certain, I think its reasonable to assume she would have won that 10k had she focused on it solely. You could see she was fatigued in the first few laps even.

Personally, I'm just happy we're FINALLY seeing runners breaking the 30 minute barrier - it's about damn time. Deratu should have done it a decade+ ago, but she never needed to, instead settling for an easy 60 second final lap en route to 30:17. It was "good enough" back then. Hopefully not for much longer.

So true and I can say with totally certainity that if Wang Junxia hadn't run the 5000m that she would have won the 10000m. Gold- 5000m and Silver-10000m running sub 15 mins and 31:02 in high temperatures and humidity puts her in close to 30:00 shape at the 1996 Games.

The ladies Wang Junxia beat at the 96 Games

5000m

Pauline Konga (Ken)

Roberta Brunet (Ita)

Sonia O'Sullivan (Ire)

Ayelech Worku (Eth)

Yelena Romanova (Rus)

PAULA RADCLIFFE (GB)

Rose Cheriuyot (Ken)

Lynn Jennings (USA)

Amy Rudolph (USA)

10000m

Deratu Tulu (Eth)

Gete Wami (Eth)

Birhane Adere (Eth)

Tegla Louroupe (Ken)

Sally Barsosio (Ken)

Catherine McKiernan (Ire)

Colleen deRueck (SA)

Lyudimana Petrova (Rus)

and MANY of them had won previous or went on later to become Olympic or World Champions; however, at the 1996 Games only one female was able to make it to the podium in both the 5000m and 10000m. WANG JUNXIA!

Antonio Cabral wrote:

Yeahhh. 29:31 with the last 5k in 14:26 ! However 3 years later she lost for Fernanda Ribeiro on Atlanta Olympics with a 31:01 minutes run what is 1min30secs slower of his erlier 29:31 !

Conclusion. On Atlanta she forgets to take the same medicine she took in 1993 World Champ.

So, Antonio, you don't run 3:39 anymore, did you forget your medication?

About Aouita, his 1500m was only 3s off the current WR, but his 5000m was 21s off the current WR.

The longer the distance above 1500m, the farther he was from a WR time. He did not have the build and development to run at the top for 10,000 meters. He would have needed to be a completely different runner. This is why Nenow almost outkicked him in a 10k. Did Nenow even come close to 3:43 for 1500m? And he was not close in a 5k, but almost outkicked Aouita in a 10k.

Another thing is that Junxia Wang was making a comeback anad training on her own in 1996, not with the team anymore like in 1993. She was not in the same condition, but still got a silver and a gold in harsh conditions, more than Ribiero by the way.

Will you stop posting your stupidity. You are a complete moron who is wrapped up in his own delusions. Mark Nenow didn't not almost outkick Said Aouita.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsNuzBGZHo0

^1996 Aouita's 10000m debut- one of the fastest 10000m at that time

Aouita went around Mark with 220m to go then didn't kick until 85-90m from home and pulled away with every stride. He won by over 30m, only a complete moron would think that is almost being outkicked!

JR

I just look at the video and the previous poster is correct, Aouita was in no danger of losing in his debut. What video did you see Mark Nenow almost outkick Said Aouita?

Well they were trading laps, and Aouita was not able to lead to the end of the 22nd lap. Nenow lead from 1300m to go and Aouita was not able to pass him again until the last 200 meters.

Compare that with most of Aouita's 5k's and 1500's where he liked to lead the entire last 400 meters. What happened in this one, that he was not able to get around Nenow until the last 200 meters? Also in Aouita's own words after the race, it was the hardest race he'd ever run, much harder than he'd expected it to be, and he had no intention to ever run another one. The last 200 meters was 29 seconds plus.

Yes, I consider that Nenow almost outkicked him over the last several laps of the race. What was Nenow's fastest mile anyway?

J.R. wrote:

Well they were trading laps, and Aouita was not able to lead to the end of the 22nd lap. Nenow lead from 1300m to go and Aouita was not able to pass him again until the last 200 meters.

Compare that with most of Aouita's 5k's and 1500's where he liked to lead the entire last 400 meters. What happened in this one, that he was not able to get around Nenow until the last 200 meters? Also in Aouita's own words after the race, it was the hardest race he'd ever run, much harder than he'd expected it to be, and he had no intention to ever run another one. The last 200 meters was 29 seconds plus.

Yes, I consider that Nenow almost outkicked him over the last several laps of the race. What was Nenow's fastest mile anyway?

You are not in touch with reality. Aouita ran this race to win. It would be like saying Bekele wasn't able to take the lead until the last lap...utter stupidity. Aouita was in complete control and if you think Nenow "almost outkicked" Aouita over the last several laps, you must not have seen the race. Aouita actually said after that race that the 10,000 was an easy race...I don't believe it was that easy, but you are completely wrong in your above post.

jennifer cruz wrote:

Aouita actually said after that race that the 10,000 was an easy race...I don't believe it was that easy, but you are completely wrong in your above post.

Oh come on you're just making things up.

Aouita was shocked that the race was so difficult, and he never ran another 10000m event after that.