Will this meet be on TV or on the internet? Anybody know if flotrack will be there?
Will this meet be on TV or on the internet? Anybody know if flotrack will be there?
This is a golden league meeting IIRC. So, it will definitely be on Euro tv, and on universal sports. You may find a link thru justin.tv or atdhe.net (or whatever that one is). Or just pay the 1.99 and watch live on universalsports.com.
greigting wrote:
this will finally prove that Wheating had no right to be in that Bowerman Mile....
Enough said...
Walker's Pace: Wheating Rips a 3:30 1,500 at Monaco
Thursday, July 22, 2010, 11:45 a.m.
Andrew Wheating has just ran the fourth-fastest 1,500 meters in American history.
The lanky Oregon alum clocked 3:30.90 in a fourth place finish Thursday at the Diamond League meet in Monaco.
That time trails only Bernard Lagat (3:29.30, 2005), Sydney Maree (3:29.77, 1985) and Alan Webb (3:30.54, 2007) on the all-time American list.
In a race that featured the five fastest times in the 1,500 in the world this season, Silas Kiplagat of Kenya won in 3:29.27, followed by Morocco's Amine Laalou in 3:29.53, Augustine Choge of Kenya in 3:30.22, Wheating and then Ryan Gregson in an Australian-record 3:31.06.
With the field single file behind a pair rabbits who successfully pushed the pace, Wheating remained patient near the end of that line until the bell lap. He worked his way up to eighth on the backstretch and then let loose a long kick around the final curve to pass everyone, save the top three who had broken from the pack, and had just enough left to hold off Gregson at the line.
Wheating, from Norwich, Vt., beat his previous PR of 3:37.52 set May 29 at the 2010 NCAA West Regional in Austin, Texas, by nearly seven seconds.
greigting wrote:
fair amount of BS on here...
despite Wheatings comments to the contrary his last lap at PRE was about ~56secs ( check the video ) which when you are running 3.51 is actually not that much of a negative split, as mentioned above pretty much bang on splits for him everyone else just died. Otherwise we will see a 3.31 next right?
Yes Wheatings results at the Bowerman was excellent, but he got a free pass into that race when he shouldn't have, because he was the local duck boy... This is the diamond league people, not a two bit yankee-help-ya-mate-out side show, athletes should be accepted on their merits... not on potential. How many good international athletes are going to want to jump on a plane out to the US for meets when the organisers are going to overlook them for the local college kid.
Gregson on his merits should have been all over that race, instead he had to run the "international mile" which he duly spanked.
Gregson will show in Monaco just how wrong that decision was
Mrr82 wrote:
jjjjjjjjj wrote: He's had a great year. But to optimize his times at his current fitness and challenge for some wins, he is going to have to get up closer to the front, third, fourth or fifth, prior to the last 200m. At that point the kick will not be as strong but it won't have to be.Optimize his times? Go out near the front in a race rabbitted in sub 50? Wheating is a great up and coming star, but he's not a 1:41 runner. Only runner who possibly belonged on that pace in that race was Kaki, and he couldn't handle it himself.
Challenge for some wins? All you have to do is get up front earlier? Are you seriously brain dead? Last time i checked winning was about how fast you were, not whether you had 50 seconds of glory before fading. Wheating will challenge for wins in a big race like that when he's improved a bit more. He was able to move up in the last 200 because the others had gone with that pace. If they hadn't gone with the pace he would have been dusted in the last 200. If he had moved up with 400 to go he would have been walking the last 200.
yes, I think that he had more in the tank in those races. honestly, he STILL hasn't optimized his times, as he apparently sat at the back of the pack until the last 200m and then past the whole field except for the top three, who had broken away from the pack.
Holdonthere wrote:
greigting wrote:this will finally prove that Wheating had no right to be in that Bowerman Mile....
Enough said...
I agree!
Where do you start with the correction of statements on this thread? the first two posts were mildly accurate. many of the others are now shown to be absurd....
But who would have thought a 6+ second PR for Wheating?
Toom-Stone wrote:
Race goes out in 3:31 tonight, Gregson runs 3:32, wheating 3:35.
Finally, it's all silly arguing anyway. Everyone knows that middle distance runners born in America can't win medals at Olympic and World champs, whereas those born in Australia, the UK and New Zealand have a pretty good record for it. Based on that irrefutable fact I suggest that Wheating will account to nothing, whereas Gregson has a genuine chance of winning something far more significant than NCAAs.
Where are all of our Commonwealth friends now? Crickets chirping... Maybe it is something in the gene pool because for as asinine as the Aussies get over Gregson they are just as delusional in England about their football.
Jeff.... I think you will find the silence is more due to a time zone thing than anything else.
For my part, I will retract some of my inflammatory comments... not all.
Gregson showed as promised that he well and truly deserved a spot in that Bowerman Mile. Wheating showed that he deserved his spot as much, but maybe squandered it a little bit.
Wheating has really found his feet in europe and is running sensationally, credit to him.
I still think the Meet Director at Pre used very poor judgement by Putting Gregson in the B race, and Wheating as the athlete to get elevated was an easy target to try and highlight the injustice.
I'm sure your little c*ck would fit there perfectly.
greiting wrote:
I still think the Meet Director at Pre used very poor judgement by Putting Gregson in the B race, and Wheating as the athlete to get elevated was an easy target to try and highlight the injustice.
If you're a moron.
Look....I think some of the UO crew on here is a bit over the top but if you can't figure out why a meet at UO would allow an entry by a guy who's a hometown fave over a guy from the other side of the planet then you really aren't quite as bright as you might think you are.
It's a no brainer.
greiting wrote:
Jeff.... I think you will find the silence is more due to a time zone thing than anything else.
For my part, I will retract some of my inflammatory comments... not all.
Gregson showed as promised that he well and truly deserved a spot in that Bowerman Mile. Wheating showed that he deserved his spot as much, but maybe squandered it a little bit.
Wheating has really found his feet in europe and is running sensationally, credit to him.
I still think the Meet Director at Pre used very poor judgement by Putting Gregson in the B race, and Wheating as the athlete to get elevated was an easy target to try and highlight the injustice.
I'm a Gregson, but I think you are really grasping here. Tom Jordan knows his stuff. Wheating was a 1:45.0/3:38/olympian in his 3rd year of running. He stomped guys with similar and faster 1500 bests than Gregson during his NCAA season, and more importantly he did so while aiming for a later peak.
I'm sure Jordan talked to Vin and Vin said yes, he's clearly better than all the 3:35 and 3:36 runners that I have coached right now. Gregson came in with 3:35 despite having raced in Europe previously and hence did not seem as likely to hit it big as Wheating did. His 3:53 was great and consistent with his 3:35.
Since then both have gone on to get even better, but going into PRE if you were betting on one of the two it would have to be Wheating and it has been Wheating ever since.
Would it have been great to have Gregson in the race, sure. But there were just as many guys who broke 4 in his race as the Bowerman mile so it had to get cut somewhere.
I don't think you could have sold us that Gregson could have won both the 800 and 1500 at NCAA's like Wheating did until maybe after his 3:31, but even then you have to say that Wheating isn't racing either event.
A great meet promoter doesn't just look at times, he looks at how and when the times were run. Gregson has a lifetime best after time trial style races of 3:35 going into PRE. Wheatings first 1500 of his season was an easy 3:37 victory and then he goes even faster in a regional race, on a double. That's worth more than a 3:35 time trial race in almost anyones book.
Ring us when Gregson is faster than Wheating at 800, 1500 or a mile and we'll reconsider.
They both ran great in Monaco. I thought 3:33 would have been about their limit. That track is definitely a fast one.
You got to remember Gregson has just turned 20! He's giving away 2+ years to Wheating, and certainly there is no disgrace in being only half a stride behind.
It's great to see 2 young white guys/non Africans (and I don't mean that in a racist sense, just it's unusual to see any white guys challenge in the middle distances) mixing it at the top. They will encourage other kids to take up the sport, knowing that the Africans can be equalled.
It will be good if they can rise to the very top and challenge for gold in 2012; sort of reminiscent of the days of Coe v Ovett or Cram. It's a shame Britain doesn't have anyone near as good as these 2 youngsters!
greiting wrote:
Jeff.... I think you will find the silence is more due to a time zone thing than anything else.
For my part, I will retract some of my inflammatory comments... not all.
Gregson showed as promised that he well and truly deserved a spot in that Bowerman Mile. Wheating showed that he deserved his spot as much, but maybe squandered it a little bit.
Wheating has really found his feet in europe and is running sensationally, credit to him.
I still think the Meet Director at Pre used very poor judgement by Putting Gregson in the B race, and Wheating as the athlete to get elevated was an easy target to try and highlight the injustice.
Fair enough Greg, for the most part.
Can you, at the very least, recognize that the Pre meet isn't your normal run of the mill Diamond league meet? If this were in any other venue, in any other Country, you'd have more of an argument.
I don't think anyone is arguing that Gregson isn't a force of nature and, hopefully, a national treasure for years to come for you guys Down Under.
Hell, he may even be as good as Wheating some day.
haha touche..
Why is Pre so different form other Diamond League meets though? I don't see why it should be, or that it is..