Usain Bolt - 19.59 in the 200m!

RickySmude wrote:

he was running sub 20s since he was 15 years

Not in officially timed competitions (which are the only ones that matter when talking track times). He didn't break 20 until he was 17. But that doesn't completely diminish your point, because 19.93 (t61st best performance in history at the time, t102nd now) when he would've been a junior in US high school is absurd. Like 10 times more absurd than Webb's 3:53.

DontFeedTheTroll wrote:

Mutation wrote:

The smart ones time their cycles wisely. I don't know about EPO or whatever, but roids are taken in cycles. Only an idiot would travel to the Olympics with the stuff in their system.

And yet bicyclists get caught all the time. Why is that? Do they take higher doses of drugs (making the drugs harder to hide)? Are the tests different/more frequent? Are they too stupid to do what is necessary to avoid getting caught? Do runners just not dope that much in the first place?

Cyclists do seem to get caught with steroids more than others. I think they take it for different reasons, i.e. Landis took it to keep him self full of energy because he was really starting to stink on the tour till that one day. Anyone who watched his "comeback performance" that day can tell you what a boost it gave him. Cycling is such a grid you down sport and i think testosterone can keep you in the fight. whereas Sprinters would take it more to gain the muscle/fast twitch fibers in training and then get off it before championships. Probably why sprinters get caught a little less at big competitions and more at meets that don't even matter because they are still in their training phase.

This may have been said already but Gay ran 19.58 and Bolt ran 19.59 i can not wait to see what could be one of the great sprint races of all time if they face each other the 200 at worlds.

Bolt is not human wrote:

He didn't break 20 until he was 17. But that doesn't completely diminish your point, because 19.93 (t61st best performance in history at the time, t102nd now) when he would've been a junior in US high school is absurd. Like 10 times more absurd than Webb's 3:53.

But you are somewhat diminishing his youth performances. At the time of his 19.93 run, it made him the 20th all-time performer (I think, I looked quickly).... as a 17 y.o. Throw out some altitude times, and he almost made the top 15 all-time in the 200 as 17 y.o. He ran 45.3 as SIXTEEN y.o. This means that as a 17 y.o. he could have been a serious medal contender in two events (assuming he had progress to sub 45 ability as a 17 y.o.). He is certainly the most talented sprinter of all time. Unless he was pounding drugs at that age, his progression is not suspect at all.

Ramzi was #7 AT with 3:29.02.

I've watched Bolt's race multiple times and have shown it to my family. All were equally astounded. Appreciation for Bolt's greatness is universal. I feel like I'm watching Hermes float around the track.

And yet, Bolt is actually planning on running the World Championships.I remember watching WR holder Bolt lose decidedly to Powell last year. Stranger things have happened.

RickySmude wrote:

There will be no test on August 16. What you will see is a confirmation of what always was...... Gay is good, but Bolt is better. Gay had his time in '07. Dont expect a repeat....

Those that think Bolt is clean crack me up. You're thinking with your heart and not your head.

When it looks too good to be true, it is. And in the case of Bolt, it looks beyond fantastic.

He will eventually get caught. It may take a year, perhaps 6 years, but it will happen.

Gay ran his time in his FIRST 200 race of the year. That hardly indicates his fitness as being in peak form. Yes Bolts conditions were harder but you re comparing apples to pomegranates. IT"S A BIT TOO EARLY TO SAY gay has NO chance.

You fool if bolt doped he would already be under 19 by now.

lie detector wrote:

It's not a recent finding in science that when a human can't look you straight in the eye that they are lying or hiding something. Compare that to an interview with Wallace Spearman. A very good sprinter, but certainly not a world beater freak, and yet he can look the interviewer and camera straight in the eye.

Now obviously people are going to look away from time to time in an interview, particularly when they are formulating a thought or response but the difference between that and dodging eye contact is very clear.

Not a recent finding in science? Well, you are right about one thing, there is no evidence supporting the claim that lack of eye contact is a sign of deception. In fact, the opposite tends to be true. Liars tend to make more eye contact. The reason has to do with the fact that they want to see your reaction and judge whether or not you are believing the lie. Evidence also shows that police officers do no better than chance when detecting deception. I recommend you do some research in this area before you start accusing people again. Check out the work of Vrij or Ekman, you'll find scientific support there.. unlike anything in your statement.

I don't like getting into these doping conversations becasue you just can't implicate someone based on a hunch. Personally, I think Bolt is clean, however, I have my doubts about Powell from 2 years ago and Melaine Walker gets a perfect '10' on my is she doping or not scale.

I know it would suck to get wrapped up in the hype to then find out that he was doping but what about the american way of "innocent until proven guilty"... so with how much he's already been tested he's either clean or really really sneaky...

We should give some credit to him running crazy world class times before he even left high school... He's been a freak for awhile, especially at the 200...

that 200 def. proves he's still the one to beat in Berlin but we shouldn't just toss Gay out the window... lets give him a chance to respond... anyone know when he's going to compete next?

Personally, I don't think he is doing drugs...But I think Jamaica is the first with new technology. I have a feeling they discovered a way to enhance the neural system through some sort of gene doping or nerve growth factor.

What they should do is store a blood sample from the performance and retroactively test it after new tests come out.

Pray on critter. You will see it in ur next life

he is doing drugs Bolt is a running machine there is no way a human can reach that level without some help.. Specially running super fast but effortless give me a break i understand that the man is all a big show and really that’s what people want to see. It is ashamed that all sports are dirty now a days.

to all the naysayers Bolt is drug free, Powell is drug free and those who believe Gay HAS a ghost of a chance in BERLIN PREPARE FOR DISAPPOINTMENT ALSO YOU WILL SEE NEW TALENT FOR JAMAICA IN 400M HURLES MEN AND WOMEN AFTER BERLIN THE WORLD WILL SEE JAMAICA AGAIN AS THE HOME OF NATURAL ATHLETIC TALENT

that camera angle at 3:23 of embed youtube video on the homepage is sick sick sick!!! wonder if they'll have to redesign tracks so Bolt doesn't hurt himself in the turn?!

I hope to the heavens Bolt is clean. For the sake of the sport and to say I was a witness to the greatness. But life has taught me several lessons. Whenever something is too good to be true it usually is. I'm from the Caribbean and understand Jamaicans pride and defense of their system. They say it makes it "impossible" for anyone to give Usain drugs. But I think that system is exactly the one needed for a secret drug program to flourish. Remember how they found out about "the clear". A disgruntle greedy coach sent the stuff into the authorities. Less chance of that happening in Jamaica. Who would turn in the drug Usain is using. They'd be chased off the island. Once again my heart hopes he's not on drugs but logic tells me something is up. Jamaica has always had top notch sprinters but all of a sudden they've all taken a huge step forward. In all events male or female they are equaling or surpassing times of busted drug users. The last time a nation stepped up like this was the Chinese women in the 90's and we all know what that was all about. I've been on the Bolt Express since last summers. But as I put this all together this is my stop. I'm getting of this train because something isn’t right.