Bekele greatest; how about Ngugi?

yo just do us all a vfavor and shut the fuuck up! if your not going to state your evidence, then just shut the fuuck up! its obvious what your evidence is, and everyone knows what your going to say and base it on. (his times and shit) just shut th fuuck up before you get smacked the fuuck up!

Dumbass. I don't need evidence since I wasn't the one to claim anything. I never even said he didn't dope, but i don't have the evidence to prove he did and neither do you so kiss my ass. You have to prove he doped. Why don't you shut the fvck up. Your post is just a waste of forum space and a joke. Do yourself a favor, stop jerking yourself off and grow a brain. Neither his times nor his shit would be evidence he doesn't dope. Show us that he did or stop wasting everyone's time.

Stop acting like a child Simba. Listen up. You make your self look bad by writing incoherently. If someone says a runner is a doper and another person says you can't prove it then the first person is the one that has to provide the evidence. What are they teaching in schools these days? I suggest you go out and hopefully you'll have a little success. Hating on running greats will get you nowhere.

Simba, you are a witch! Prove me wrong or you burn.

Looks like it's time once again to smack around some nincompoops.

"Hating on"? Okay, that crap has got to end, it's tired and played-out and if you use it then you're lazy in the head. I can believe something, like say Bekele will lose tomorrow, without having anything against (or "hating on") Bekele. Follow?

You're godd@mn right that nobody can "prove" that someone else is doping, what a keen grasp of the obvious you've displayed here. If they could, wouldn't they just take it up with WADA or USADA rather than with Captain Obtuse on Letsrun.com?

Get this: anyone is allowed to BELIEVE that anyone else is a doper and say so. It is not incumbent that the person who states that belief post evidence to convince anyone else of that belief, including jock-sniffer fanboys. On the same token, you don't have to like that belief and you're free to disagree. You're allowed to hold your own opinion on how much merit that belief holds just like that person is allowed to believe that way and voice that opinion.

Just don't try the dumb ploy of claiming that an athlete's claim with no proof while castigating someone else's claim that the athlete's dirty with no proof. You're both equally right or wrong in that scenario.

There's one other possibility, that the person has insider information (possibly from biased sources, possibly from credible sources) regarding the fact that the athlete is doping. How in the hell is someone supposed to present "proof" to you in that scenario? Is demanding evidence until you're blue in the face going to make it materialize? Hint: no. Another hint: many of us had knowledge that Marion Jones, Regina Jacobs, Tim Montgomery, and many others had been doping before the authorities came down on them. There ARE insiders (or people who know insiders) who visit this site, believe it or not.

Correction:

"Just don't try the dumb ploy of claiming that an athlete's clean"

BOHICA wrote:

There ARE insiders (or people who know insiders) who visit this site, believe it or not.

BULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLSHIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT. If anyone had this magical "insider" information that someone was doping like Jones than f***ing say something to someone who can actually do something. Goddamn you f***ing idiot.

Terrible post. If someone makes a claim it is perfectly reasonable for me to ask for proof. It is absolutely right to ask for proof. I couldn't possibly be wrong in this scenario since I never said anything one way or the other about whether or not Bekele is a doper. You have a right to your own opinion and I have a right to question it and ask that you back up your claims. The poster has failed to do so. If he had insider information he certainly didn't display it. Bekele is a doper isn't just an opinion. It is a statement that the poster can either prove or they can't. I called the bluff and the poster replied but never tried to show us anything useful. I'm glad you want to "tell me off" but your statements has died a death by fire. The opinion argument works when you are talking to HSers. Come up with something else.

As for the guy making the hating on statement, sure it is outdated. However, the hate was obviously about the accusation that Bekele dopes and didn't have anything to do with the race tomorrow.

Who exactly do you suggest could "do something"?? You vastly overrate the value of hearsay to authorities, genius. In many cases the authorities already know and look the other way, believe it or not.

Sh!tty opinion.

So? Did I say that you couldn't? I only said that you were stupid to ask given all obvious implications

And I didn't say that you did, so why are you acting as if that statement was about you?

D@mn you've got a hard head. Nobody is required to "display" anything to back up their views.

Sure it is.

So what?

Who is this "us" that you presume to speak for? Is it the royal us? Did that poster claim to have anything to "show"?

Uh, what?

Who says that I'm not? Anyway, you can keep chasing your tail like a puppy, you're not interesting enough to have anything worth looking at, not that it'll stop you from trying in vain.

As for the guy making the hating on statement, sure it is outdated. However, the hate was obviously about the accusation that Bekele dopes and didn't have anything to do with the race tomorrow.[/quote]

I'm waiting for you to make a point and you haven't. All the time to respond to my post and you give us this. Nice deconstruction Jacques Derrida.

" So? Did I say that you couldn't? I only said that you were stupid to ask given all obvious implications"

Stupid for asking for proof? What a sad world you live in. Did you know Darth Vader just set the shot put WR? The only implication is the poster is full of shit. It's just fun to call people out when they are clearly clueless about they are talking about. That's all. He isn't "required" to provide proof but if he says something and I ask for him to verify it and he can't I can only assume he is posting crap. The claim was the evidence was there but no attempt was made to back that up. The obvious retort would be to call the poster on that. I see nothing wrong with that. He could have just as easily said "I don't have proof" and the discussion is over. Instead he wanted to enter a slapping contest with his hands tied behind his back.

Bekele is a doper isn't just an opinion.

"Sure it is."

You either didn't understand or are simply not very smart. I guess the later. It is more then an opinion since it is posed as a statement of fact which means others have the right to ask how he knows what he knows. Of course it isn't a fact and that is the whole point. If he had said "I believe Bekele dopes" then that is different since of course you can't prove what someone else is thinking.

Now you didn't even add anything. Where do you guys learn how to discuss/form an argument... cause it isn't working. Please, unless you plan on adding something worth while please bumping the thread with dribble.

Yo, its pointless arguing with these envious, mindless idiots. They dont even understand the basics of a logical argument

They simply cant fathom these runners and their times, and they live lives of anonymity and mediocrity. This is their very best shots at getting anywhere near a top athlete...by accusing them of something they can never prove.

Go back to bed boys, mommy will be by soon with your cookies.

Your right.

Way to argue a perfectly good thread.

Just curious, has Bekele, or Ngugi back in his day, defeated anyone on the level of Geb like Tergat did routinely in xc during his heyday?

I think Geb is on a level of his own although the country is not his forte; strongest two probably Khaled Skah who was in the ;92 race from the youtube commentary and Paul Kipkoech who was 2nd to Ngugi a couple of times and was World 10k champ in 1987 winning by 10+ seconds and clearly strong on the country as the two of them were well clear of third ... Always a big difference in reputation between someone who has phenomenal career with longevity and others who are just really "on" for a year or two...doesn't make them any easier to beat during that period for the fact that they don't hold it for 10 years...

I think Bekele has just settled this argument in Edinburgh, Scotland.

It's official and I have to admit I was wrong: Bekele is the best cross country runner ever to have walked planet Earth. What he did today (after stopping to put his shoe back on in the middle of the race) erases any doubt. To still a quote from one of my favorite movies:

"King Kong ain't got shit on [Bekele]".

Bekele definitely delivered. I thought perhaps losing his shoe, stopping and racing back up to the front could have had an impact but it didn't. He clearly is in a league of his own. I'd bet on him regardless of who else was in the field.

77 % though Bekele would win and in this crowd that is a huge margin.

Anyway, Kenenisa is the greatest Cross Country runner of all time ... right now. Despite the obvious history (6 titles) and 5 short titles. The stress of destroying 2 fields of kenyans on sunday and saturday, he has a chance at winning the next 3 world cross country titles if he chooses to enter.

He had 1 bad day in mombassa under horrible conditions.. and that should not make him any less of an XC runner.

If he has 8 titles 9 titles will you all shut up!? I doubt it.. but maybe you can try a little harder.

As for GOAT. If Kenenisa does the following.

2 more olympic golds 10,000 and Marathon

10k world record - break it again

5k world record - break it again

Marathon world record

1/2 marathon world record.

Then he is the greatest runner of all time.

This guy has done it all.