Why did Germany go to war ?

That's what they did in those backward promitive days. Hitlah killed 6 million Jews, and 6 million Russians, Slavs, Poles, Croats, Serbs, Ukranians, Gypsies, Homosexuals, Arabs, Transvestites, Chinese, etc. Hitlah hated the half-African (Semitic) Jews and Hitlah the half-Mongol Slavs since they were impure by his standards. Stalin killed more Jews, Russians, Moslems. Stalin's main corps of henchmen were Jews headed by Lavrenti Beria. Truman committed the two worst war crimes in history, the atomic bombings of civilians in Hiroshima, and Nagasaki. JFK, LBJ, and Nikon murdered 25 million Southeast Asians before losing the Vietnam War, the worst military defeat on the battlefield for the United States. The Catholic Church, Europe, and the United States murdered 20 million African slaves from the 1500's until 1850. The British Empire, by far holds the record for the most murdered, and Mao and the Chinese murdered almost as many. Japan murdered 20 million in China during the 1930's and 1940's.

If you're equating patriotism with lining up behind every president who decides to attack another country because it suits his political agenda then I think the sooner we're rid of it the better.

If you think the situation that existed in Iraq before our invasion remotely resembled what was going on in the world from 1939-1945 you've got a great imagination. Who exactly had Iraq invaded since they were driven out of Kuwait?

Why hasn't this thread been deleted?

Let's get a few things straight here that should never be brought up EVER again.

1. Bush and Hitler should never be compared in anyway.

2. There is a major difference between US Internment Camps and German Death Camps. EVERY person in a German death camp would have begged to be in a US camp.

3. The Versailles Treaty was clearly and obviously too harsh. Otherwise, there would have been no WWII because Hitler would not have come to power in a more stable Germany.

4. The 2 atomic bombs were not "our version of genocide." That is ridiculously stupid and naive.

5. crb - never post anything again. You are clearly uneducated.

On another note: freecell- "6 million jews died during the Holocaust" is an estimate. It is impossible to tell how many died and to even determine exactly who was a Jew and who wasn't back then because of the Nazis.

Interesting spin on the facts, but what really is your point?

what do you find wrong with my description of the third reich? Im pretty confident most scholars would see thing amiss. Clearly you do. Please be inclined to show the flaws in my arguements.

12 million died in the Holocaust, 1/2 Jews, but you never hear of the others because of certain lobbies who don't care about Russians, Slavs, Chinese, homosexuals, etc. "Internment Camps' are euphemisms for concentration camps. They were concentration camps, people died from lack of care, and were shot by the U.S. Army, people were chosen based on if the were 1/16th Japanese or not, the racist U.S. society had targeted Chinese and Japanese for explusion since the 1800's, only tghe ned for cheap labor saved them, plus the Japanese government protested vigorously, and U.S. racist maltreatment of Japanese in the U.S. helped lead to soured relations and war in the 1940's. The Jews were not the only victims in Europe, others were too. The Jews were many of the main mass murderers for Stalin and are today committing genocide against their own Semitic people in Palestine. "IEDs", "insurgents", "family values", "Christian Morality", etc. are code words used to mask the truth, and hide the facts. Hiroshima and Nagasaki go down in history as the 2 worst war crimes, 25 million Southeast Asians, 20 million Africans, and millions of natives put the U.S. pretty high on the genocide top 5. Germany and the Nazis have no excuse for thei genocide they did in the last century, neither does the U.S, USSR/Russia, Israel/Jews, China, England, Netherlands, Japan, France, Italy, Belgium. Each have someone to answer to for their crimes.

And who won the war anyways, Japan is the #2 economy, China #3, Germany #4. France and England sucks. They didn't do that bad afterall.

Bring BACK the DRAFT Now wrote:

And who won the war anyways, Japan is the #2 economy, China #3, Germany #4. France and England sucks. They didn't do that bad afterall.

Actually, Britain is #5 and France is #6. Only makes sense that Japan, China, and Germany have bigger economies; they have 125m, 1.2bn, and 80m people, respectively. Britain and France both only have 60m.

But you're right to point out that Japan and Germany didn't necessarily come out as complete losers, in the long run. With virtually their entire infrastructure and capital stock wiped out, they were able to construct an entirely new capital structure from scratch. Britain, in contrast, didn't have to replace its existing, dated capital structure, nor did it receive massive aid from the US. Britain also still had to pay back every penny they had borrowed from the US (which they did, in part, by effectively mortgaging the empire).

over toothpaste. Look at the Brits with their bad breath and rotting teeth - this will tell you who won.

crb- First off, Hindenberg didn't die in 1938. He died in 1934.

'cuz Hilter was a yutz? I'm just sayin'.

typo dishit

I meant that by 1938 Hitler was alble to purge the beaurocracy of many Nationalists who were there because of Hidenburg. This is letsrun and not a thesis

WHAT BESIDES THE TYPO IS WRONG?

Yeah, Hitler was bad...Okay, what's next?

There have been some good points made, especially by Rorkes Drift, crb and HRE. I would like to add another factor contributing the war and that is the culture of militarism in Germany at that time. This culture was pretty much part of Prussian society in the mid nineteenth century and was carried forward by unified Germany into the Nazi era. In short, children were indoctrinated (at school) at a young age to learn, live and act like a soldier. Teachers had a drill sergeant-like demeanor and beat the lessons into the kids. It could almost be described as a Spartan-esque society.

This type of educational system produced citizens familiar with military (or warlike) thinking. Before WWI they were also used to winning their wars, so the loss of the war and subsequent Treaty of Versailles left them with a yearning to prove to themselves and the world that they could win a major European war.

The US knew it was going to kill a lot of innocent people during the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Sounds like genocide to me. In fact it was the largest number of deaths from a single act in the history of the world.

Over 100,000 died as a direct result of the bombings. Another 100,000 died by the end of 1945. Thousands more died over the years due to radiation poisoning.

Other countries talk big about nuclear weapons...we are the only one to actually use them. Without the bomb the war would have dragged on and on as Japan was not going to give up.

Alan

I like how you toss that in at the end. I suppose Japan would have displayed their stubborn will by challenging us to endless matches of Shogi and Go?

crb wrote:

I meant that by 1938 Hitler was alble to purge the beaurocracy of many Nationalists who were there because of Hidenburg. This is letsrun and not a thesis

WHAT BESIDES THE TYPO IS WRONG?

For some one who used basically perfect grammar, punctuation, and spelling in their post I find it hard to believe that was a typo.

The arguments that you present are flawed because of your psycho beliefs. Arguing that Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews? What's next, The Holocause didn't happen?

If you really believe that it was Himmler trying to impress Hitler and not Hitler's orders given to these men who he put in charge. Of course their is no documentation of these orders. That's how things worked in Nazi Germany. Hitler gave orders and you followed them. Your post was accurate and meticulous, your beliefs on the other hand prevent you from becoming an intelligent person. Any one who read Hitler's, Mein Kampf, or other biogrpahies on him can easily determine that Hitler in fact was giving orders for death camps. Look at some of his speeches. In almost all of them he mentions the Jews and how much he hates them, how their a burden to German society, and how they will ruin Germany. Yes, I realize the difference between hate and an attempted genocide, or extermination of "6 million people."